When Will We Again See...

No, he's an aberration because he could.

 

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Yeeah word is bond son. This hairy ass italian aint no mother****in Kal-el Nahhhmean. He ain't no Goku nahmsaying. Forreal forreal, he had a pretty short reign and the dude best straps are all older smaller dudes nahmean. I do be noticin that he got real good stamina and strength b, especially since he like a buck 85 g hahahaha. His intangibles and **** real good too son, he got that will to win and ****. But, is what i'm saying, dude ain't no defensive genius cutie or technician nahmean. Rocky got them limitations b. He aint even fight a real legit heavyweight nahmean. Dempsey could probably tap that ass on the real nahmean. Rocky real slow forreal.

 

I still don't get the purpose of this thread.
You say here he was obviously a "rare, rare item" but you seem to mock others for believing that same thing.

And, if I understand you correctly, you seem to be saying the fact that no 5'10 , 185 pound, 67 inch reach fighter has held the title in the ages of alphabet belts that is something like proof that Marciano couldn't do it either.

 

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:rofl

 

Not in your lifetime.

 

It depends entirely on the specific time period and on which fights he gets.
Matchmaking.

 

I don't see how these are mutually exclusive. Top 10 P4P fighters are anomalies. By your own admission, you place Marciano right up there with guys like Ray Robinson, a welterweight who nearly won the lightheavyweight crown (and probably would have pulled it off if he'd been younger), Muhammad Ali, who broke every boxing rule because he had insane reflexes and speed like a welterweight, and Henry Armstrong, who was born with an abnormally slow heartbeat along with incredible boxing ability.

Marciano was a freakishly good 185 pounder in a division with relatively small heavyweights. He succeeded for both reasons.

Yeah, he'd wear out faster today. On the other hand, you seem to believe that he could beat a lot of Tyson's competition individually, so according to your reasoning he might have nabbed the undisputed championship post-1950's if he'd been managed correctly and retired quickly. Heck, he could probably stay at cruiserweight until he hit his prime and thereby avoid some of the wear and tear. He'd end up with an unimpressive title reign, perhaps, but when when you adjust for the better quality of heavyweights he'd be facing, his results in the 1980s or 1970s would be about as impressive as his 1950's accomplishments.

 

Only if he is a former middle weight , making a come back.

 

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This is what I think too. The Marciano in the Tyson era scenario strikes me as being exactly apt for how Marciano SHOULD or could be (and was!) managed.
I mean, Tyson was given relatively easy undemanding assignments before he got his title shot, guys who could be KO'd easy or guys who weren't too strong or aggressive ..... I actually think Holyfield's cruiserweights were probably tougher than Tyson's first 18 or 19 fights, so it's not even size.
I don't see the likes of Sterling Benjamin, Lorenzo Boyd, Reggie Gross, Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, Don Long, Alfonso Ratliff, Steve Zouski, Mitch Green etc. taking any more of a toll on Marciano than all the guys he fought up to his title shot .... in fact it might well have been considerably easier, just on the fact that it's 15 or so less fights.

And then I guess it comes down to how much trouble we think Marciano would have with Tyson's title opposition - which is being grossly overrated all over this site lately.
My guess is that some fights might have been tougher for him, and some easier. I see no compelling reason to believe he must break down in a heap before he gets through to Buster Douglas, but it's possible I suppose.

 

The Klitschkos are the only currrent boxers who could beat Marciano.

And I wouldn't bet much on Wlad managing the feat.



To answer your question, his walking around weight before he started boxing was 210 -215.

And he was a moderately heavy smoker.


If he was fighting today's heavies, I doubt he would put on ANY weight as he trained hard to keep his weight down.