When you literally cannot afford to get hit...

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by KillSomething, Apr 13, 2011.


  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do you do?

    What I mean by this is an opponent who hits so hard that you can't risk getting hit clean for fear of being 8-counted or ktfo. Anyone ever fought a guy like this?
     
  2. Boxinglad123

    Boxinglad123 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've never fought a guy like that, but I would say very tight guard, move your head and use spoiling tactics....that's my plan anyway....although I have some power of my own I'm not sure of my chin.
     
  3. bck620

    bck620 Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think I would choose to spar a guy like that...

    If it was a match, then I would shell up and basically counter with 1-2s or 2-3s.
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I sparred a guy who basically had the Arthur Abraham approach. Not fun, hard to get anything started without either being countered or playing it safe and turning it into a feint-fest.
     
  5. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first thing I tried was shelling up. I'll admit my shell looked terrible and was totally wrong but....

    He hit me on the left glove so hard that the impact rocked my jaw. Both of my arms went completely numb. I had no idea what was happening to me and I just stood there with my hands glued to my head. That's the first and only time a punch has affected my nervous system. And I BLOCKED IT! (the problem was that the heel of my hand was pressed right on my jawbone, so it was just like getting punched...guard was way wrong lol).

    And I have a good chin. Never been hurt badly despite being hit clean and hard a lot...until then.

    But yeah, after that I pretty much turned into Andre Dirrell and spent the fight running away and throwing half-assed jabs. I couldn't think of anything to do!

    True. Actually, if you watch a lot of national-level fighters, this is a style a lot (or even most) of them use. Not really like Abraham, but a high, tight guard, lots of forward movement and inside fighting. Lots of countering and reflex punching.

    Actually, the guy I'm referring to recently got beat in the regional final by a (nationally-ranked) guy who uses this style. I didn't see the fight, but I'm assuming he used it for this guy too. So maybe the answer is a high guard with pressure, not giving him space to punch.
     
  6. MrSmall

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    MAN THE **** UP!

    ESB reply out of the way..

    I think going in with that mindset is a very dangerous one, in that it is partly defeating yourself before you start, Mike Tyson's opponents thought like that didn't they?
     
  7. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's one of those things you don't know until you get in there. I didn't realize how hard he hit until he started hitting me lol.

    I went in with the mindset that this midget can't hurt me, I have a good chin and hit too hard. And he's 0-1 and looks like a weightlifter. And his punches don't look snappy.

    All I knew about him before the fight was that he was 0-1, was in good condition, and that he was 'strong as ****.' Nobody told me he hit hard, and I wouldn't have been worried if they had. I've been hit hard before, this was just...different.
     
  8. avk47

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    I used to spar a guy like this on a regular basis. His punches were hellacious, no exaggeration. Had he not been in his late 20s when he was boxing amateur, he would have made an exciting pro. The guy was a very short heavyweight who, in the ams, would either win by HEAVY KOs or lose wide points decisions (so he had a 50/50 record). Very rare these days.

    Generally, I kept my hands very high up, tight guard and pivoted a lot. Every time he would rush forward I would spin him out, a quick combo and then pivot again. Trying to plant against him was a no. He never eased up in sparring so getting in with him was harder than any matches I had. If punches went through, I made sure to take them on my guard, but afterwards, I had a lot of pain in my arms from covering up and they were properly bruised. Clinching him was also difficult, because he would wrestle free and hammer in body shots. When I was fit and training a lot I got the best of him cause I was quicker and more experienced at the time. Then I took time off due to work, came back fat and unfit and they put me in with him. The guy was bashing me so hard, I actually had to ask him to ease up on his power...
     
  9. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Keep the fight close, I use to spar a guy who hit like a mule and on top of that weighed 30 pounds heavier than me. Smother his punches
     
  10. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How is the reach aspect? I will assume he is built for power and you are a bit taller, longer, and leaner...

    -- Be too far or too close and when getting there? Punch him.
    -- Fight dirty, yeah it sucks but this is about survival
    -- Block not only with your arms but with your elbows as he attempts to get around the guard
    -- Circle away from his power then hook, pivot, repeat.
    -- Jab, straight like a madman
    -- Heavy on upper cuts
    -- High guard
    -- Speed up the pace to slow down his punches.

    I banged with a guy like that from Virginia. That makes you feel alive.
     
  11. Leonius

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    Watch how Lewis dealt with Tyson, keep distance and use straights then smother him when he gets in range.
     
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  13. EstoEsAPalo

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    Elbows to me are important when it come to sparing a hard puncher, if your guard is good they are going to bang away at your arms, might as well as leave the elbows out there one hook they throw that hits your elbow eith there forearm or bicep and it will hurt them, smuggling punches is also pretty good to me ive noticed there been alot of cases of hard punching fighters being Kod by regular punchers, everybody thinks a guy is so powerful he touches me with those hands and i have no chance but its been witness around alot that heavy punchers like that have the mentality to think they can rip anyone apart, they think there going to always pound away and feel there opponent is feeling there shots, but fighters with this mind set have prooven to not responding well with preassure, so if you have anytype of power you should preassure 100% of the time and smuggle there punches, give them no space at all. you will use up alot of energy but this guys mentality will be broken and his struggle to hurt you will exhaust him and take power of his shots for sure...

    just look at the lemieux vs Rubio fight once Rubio stucked in lemeiux head that he can take his shots and used the rope a dope to tire him while taking big shots at him exhausted him massively, his over agression got him gassed out and never did he see rubio had heavy hands of his own till he was tired and Rubio went to preassuring mode, may he of been more careful and atleast tested rubios power and style to know what he was more likely to do and how to fight him he would have saved the energy for bigger shots to earn him points for a decision if he wasn't able to Ko Rubio... you have to grab barbaric fighters and capitalize on there eagerness to go all out early.

    also look at Wilfredo Gomez work when he went inside look at his hooks and uppercuts to the body and head when he went inside this would exhaust his opponents more than it looked it did then he's measure that right while getting the hook in there and would go for the kill.

    you can also look at margaritos style opf opreassuring although if you use his defense as well you'd probably get KTFO, lol:admin
     
  14. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i guess you got some money and started going to a gym?

    really i think the issue is that you havnt been to a gym in over 8 months.

    im sure if you were more praticed you wouldnt of had your guard all screwy and/or you would have probly been able to slip the punch.

    a combiantion of smothering to lessen damage and exhaust plus using your distance to do damage works pretty well....you can also smother then back up to draw your opponet into short rights and other counters....but of course if for some reason your opponet has a longer reach then you, hits hard enough to put you out with a single blow, and has trained/still trains specifically to deal with being smothered.......dont fight him.
     
  15. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Control the range, mate, and avoid the traps.

    I learned this stuff from Eddie Futch in reverse. I was the monster puncher, and heres how I'd beat me.


    1. Establish range. This is easily the most important thing to do when facing a guy with a substantially large power advantage on you. You need to figure out where you are effective, and where he is the least. Use your jab and your feet, and test him. Does he like distance to punch? You can figure it out by staying out behind your jab and baiting a counter attempt by him. If he tries to counter your jab, come over it or parry it and punch off, he likes to have room to work. If he neglects trying to do anything but mitigate your jab and get passed it, he favors tight, compact work and wants to get close. Once you've established this, you know where to be.

    2. Second step is to find out his favorite punch. Every puncher has one. Even the ones with terrific power in everything have a weapon they favor. If you arent brave, you can make a decent educated assumption with this formula, assuming an orthodox fighter: A long distance puncher is gonna favor a long right hand, and a short distance one is going to favor a short compact left hook. Start here. If your brave, test the waters for small intervals in his favored distance and see what he tries. First, whatever punch he likes, stay away from it by moving to the opposite side. When he tries to cut the angle, pivot out or tie him up after a popgun flurry. Take away his favorite tool, and the frustration will build up.

    3. Do NOT neglect the body. This is huge with a slugger. The number one instinct of a fighter who is fighting on the retreat is to spam the jab and headhunt. Going to the body helps damage his wind, which he needs to make sustained assaults, and damage his confidence. A guy punching to the body is a man who has his faculties, has a plan, and has belief.

    4. Move your head after you jab. Seriously. Whenever that stick comes, take your head, your body, your feet, or any combination thereof off the line immediately. They should be one action; the jab and the move away. One cannot come without the other. Most punchers key off your jab to either establish range or get your chin or liver with some artillery.

    5. Watch his back leg. If he comes up on his toes a lot, come at him more. He is reflexively readying his right foot to press off the canvas for leverage, and sporadic charges putting him on his heels will do more than take that favored leverage away; He most likely wont punch at all, in favor of resetting for better power. If he keeps his back leg planted, he likes torque, which means he'll lunge if you bait him forward into an attack: Give him a target by attacking into him with a quick combo, than step backwards and to your best side- He's gonna swing at the target that wasn't there, quite possibly go to the front foot, and put himself over. This will leave a juicy opening for a heavy connect on your part before he recovers stance.

    Give these a try. You won't be disappointed.