Where do you Draw the Line of what are reasonable arguments between eras?

But nothing like the original Big Cat, Cleveland Williams, just ask Choklab.

 

I'm talking fighters from the 20/30s on up........ and the greats from these bygone eras would laugh and not learn, when viewing modern boxing 'evolution'.

 

So you're responding to my post about boxers from the very beginning of the last century - with boxers from the 20/30s on up. Why?

Is it too hard for you to say that... yes, boxers from 120+ years ago could probably learn a thing or two from 2022 boxing?

 

On no of course they could, sorry if there was any confusion! I meant more recent boxers 20/30s.

 

For sure they could teach them how to order a pizza!

 

Prior to Ali they almost always lacked muscle and prior to the 20s they fought like genuinely untrained people. I think the skill differences between now and the 70s are overstated, but to a reasonable person the size difference is going to unnerve.

 

How come I always hear "Bigger" & "More Advanced", but not "Better" when it comes to these debates? Like someone said so well several posts back, it's the delivery to the target IN THE RING that counts. So where is this super advanced HW that throws much more evolved advanced punches or has super advanced foot work than Gene Tunney or Joe Louis or Ezzard Charles or Joe Walcott? HOW ARE THEY BETTER than these men, point out the super-advancement in action in the ring, it should be quite noticeable as these guys fought almost 100 yrs ago.

 

I am reasonable, the size advantage comes with speed & stamina disadvantage.

 

Lomachenko can't beat Zhilei Zhang with his speed. Speed is an advantage, but mass is the most important aspect of a fighter.

*Apologies for the rudeness, reformatted. I enjoy formal discussion with you.

 

You are never rude, no apologies needed!

I would argue that experience and skills top mass, within what I would call 'reasonable limits' which changes with personal perception, of course, but to each his own.

 

What if Loma just runs around landing pitty pat fast shots, and Zhang chases but can't catch him until he falls over from exhaustion?

LOMA TKO?

 

I don't think anyone will claim, that someone like, say, Fury is technically better than the men you mention - like better footwork, punch placement, or whatever. At 6'9" and something like 70 to 90 lbs heavier, it would be very strange, if that was indeed the case.

If someone favours Fury to beat Charles (for example) I highly doubt, it's because they think he's "better" - but rather because his physical dimensions are such, that a fighter of Charles' size would find it very difficult to cope with. No matter how much "better" he is!

 

Agreed, it's a huge difference! I just enjoy imagining these fights, sure wish we could experience them - anyone happen to have a time machine I can borrow?

 

400 am fights means you’ve spent too long fighting for free mostly. It’s no indication you’re going to be even a good pro.

 

It's hard to argue that boxing is the only technical sport in the world that has regressed, there's no evidence to suggest it has.
When you're going off a subjective eye test you begin to see the problem immediately.