Where do you have Floyd Mayweather rated pound for pound?

If Pac hadn't ducked him until he lost so much bargaining power and came crawling back as an older fighter later for money, I'd probably have him higher, as he'd have won then too, but about 20.

 

No, he never beat Pac clearly or fairly but he still beat everybody else I listed pretty thoroughly. The Cotto fight was kinda close, I had it 8-4 Floyd I think. ODLH he beat at the weight Oscar wanted to fight at and when Oscar was still a top level talent in the sport. Chico he dominated and stopped (dehydrated but still). Canelo he played weight games with I guess but Canelo's was a big weight bully early on anyways and Floyd still beat him quite clearly. I'm no fan of Floyd, I'm not the type of guy to go around saying he's really TBE but he's still the 2nd best of his era behind Pac and still won lineal titles in 4 divisions and had a very good career in spite of his diva antics. Yeah, he was protected by the boxing establishment throughout his career but to pretend he didn't have exceptional athleticism, skill, and talent in the ring (in spite of all the dirty BS he pulled) seems absurd to me.

 

If he had the talent & skill to succeed then WHY did he have to cheat to get success??He had numerous failed tests that were swept under the carpet. That IV gate debacle with Illegal saline drip treatment ? Floyd knew the rules , they were the NSAC's own rules he blatantly broke yet they were the ones that tried vainly to clear his name. We all know why Floyd had the illegal saline drip in his own home. So in your mind he should be admired & called TBE when its obvious he cheated I guess. Sorry I will not lower myself to support a blatant cheat

 

ROFLMAO Pac NEVER ducked Floyd it was Floyd that was the ducking expert he ducked everyone dangerous his name should have been DONALD

 

Trump never ducked anyone, buttertooth!

 

LOL No but that cheating coward Mayweather did. He should be introduced as Floyd Donald Duck Mayweather

 

Well, I mean, Roach did say it was their fault and they shouldn't have walked away from negotiations but...

 

Absolute Bull Feces & you know it

 

Your profile pic is of Ali though. Should Ali's whole legacy be disregarded because he used smelling salts in the Cooper fight or because he used illegal wrestling tactics frequently in his 70s fights? What about the dubious circumstances around both Liston fights? What about him receiving gifts off of Norton, Young, and Evangelista in his late career? Every fighter's career will have controversy in some ways. Yes, much of Floyd's legacy is deeply enshrouded by this controversy and he was very seldom wishing to fight on an even playing field or in circumstances which weren't favourable to him and always took the most lucrative option. But even SRR once said "I don't like boxing. It's just a business to me." As fans we all enjoy and prefer fighters who take risks and challenge themselves rather than champs who duck their best challengers and sit on belts to make more money, but at the end of the day, boxing is how thousands of people put food on their table. I'm not trying to justify Floyd's bad behaviour or his blatant cowardice, but I think you have to read between the lines and take a balanced approach to Floyd's legacy. It's not like he was fighting bums his whole career. He has a number of wins over P4P rated opponents, even if he added a number of asterisks to those wins. If you try hard enough though, you could probably add asterisks to every fight in the history of the sport. I never said I submitted to the belief that he was TBE but I admire every world class fighter who displays a high level of skill. When evaluating Floyd you have to take the good with the bad, Floyd had a lot of both and you can hone on either however much you want. Much of Floyd's career is embroiled in scandals and controversy yet in spite of this he still strung together wins over highly touted opponents. He of course took the polish over a lot of this wins with his antics out of the ring but few can deny his calibre and class inside those ropes. I don't think he's top 30 P4P but somewhere in the upper range of a top 50 or top 60 seems right. His achievements are tainted, no doubt about it, but he still achieved a fair deal.

 

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2:30-3:00 Freddie Roach says they didn't want drug tests and walked away and it was their fault in the first negotiation (which is obviously the most important). Everyone knows this. Stomp on your tomato and ketchup, Seej. Your boys, Pac and Freddie, they've admitted their duckage. So many feathers came out of Duckquiao's camp, Mike Lindell could make a new company out of it.

 

Floyd wanted Shane when Shane was among the pfp best at 147. Shane ducked him, but made the fight years later while still near the top of the pfp list.

Floyd washed Corrales, who was pfp 5 (same as Shane’s peak at 135) and Shane was fighting at 147 in late 99. Taking something Shane said in passing in the 90s to justify a later duck is cop out city. Floyd would've wanted Shane at 135 if he actually stayed at thar weight.

 

Wrong. Please point me to where Corrales placed higher than Mosley in 1999. Shane won the BWAA FOTY for 1998 and Chico won his world title in the fall of 1999. The only p4p list Chico appeared on was in late 2000 and you know where he placed? Not “several places higher” than Mosley, not at all. Mosley was ranked #1 on that very list.

The fact remains when separated by 5 lbs and both unbeaten they were both out on the spot and one said yeah let’s do it, the other said no. Then, the one who said no, was into the fight because the one who’d said yes had won 3/8 fights (1 controversial decision and two wins over a shot Vargas, so no wins at 147 during those years) and Mosley was approaching 35. That they fought when Mosley was close to 40 doesn’t change what was said when both were prime and no, Corrales was never “several places higher.” No point in lying to try and defend every single move.

 

I quickly wrote that post before I got home without checking anything and have corrected it. Corrales was pfp 5 heading into the Floyd fight, same as Shane’s peak at at 135.

The reason I thought Shane didn’t reach number 5 pfp back then is because he had a paper thin resume. Probably the worst one for a pfp 5 that I can remember.

I also forgot that he moved up to 147 in 99 for the Rivera fight, meaning there was no reasonable window for a Floyd fight at 135.

This is consistent with the sourced post form the other poster claiming that Shane could no longer make 135. But you can have your TV show.

 

Floyd was caught red handed CHEATING !! that is proven. The NSAC tried to vindicate him by making this statement." Mr Mayweather did nothing wrong so we will not be investigating this " LOL REALLY!!!?? He only broke 4 of the NSAC's OWN rules on saline drip treatment That makes them as guilty as he is in my book .
Sorry my friend I have absolutely no time for cheaters boxing is a dangerous enough sport as it is. You can support him all you want but I have absolutely no respect for him or any other cheater. Worst part is you agree he's cheated but you STILL rate him as a great boxer That I will never do

 

Mosely is another one like Floyd he is a proven Peds abuser. He claimed to have passed 2 lie detector tests proving him innocent until BALCO spoke up & he had to come clean.BUT Like Floyd was he punished ???? No !!!!!!! Boxing is riddled with corruption