Where do you have Hopkins H2H at MW?

I have him at #3.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Bernard Hopkins

Hagler comes in at #4, then I'm going over the rest and I want to make a legitimate top 10, but Hopkins stands at the high spot of #3 after comparing Monzon, he and Hagler on film. Jones getting the automatic top spot from 160-168.

Hagler has a much better resume than Hopkins, but I really Hopkins would beat him in a 15 rounder. I have Monzon over Hopkins in a 15 rounder by clear decision and I have Monzon over Hagler in a 15 rounder by clear decision.

I have Jones over them all by a clear decision in a 15 round fight.

Next you have an array of guys who would pretty much lose to the 4 above, but they'll be ranked accordingly.

 

No, I simply don't believe Hagler would beat him, or Monzon for that matter.

Monzon has nothing to do with any modern fight, why do I rank him as the second and Roy is totally shot these days and can bring nothing to my favourite fighter, why would I put him as #1 if I didn't feel he is the best H2H?

You see, because some people think he's the best or the #2. My intentions were to actually bring him down a little bit as a snipe on some of these Hopkins nuthuggers lately, but, as it stands, I can't do so as he's a fantastic H2H fighter.

Please, just sign off and don't sign back in. I want to discuss the best H2H MW's and how Hopkins ties in with them in an analytical form.

 

Okay.

Let's talk about it.

Why does he beat Monzon and Jones(peak to peak)?

 

I think it's an insult to Jones to put Greb in a H2H list, not a resume/all time list, but a H2H list when he couldn't even punch correctly.

Never has there been anything resembling a competent modern boxer that had a training sequence/display where he was just flailing his arms about with 0 coordination, which would have worked as an awkward style in that nothing to mention era. Furthermore, you list that evolution happened post-40's, with early pioneers, Greb, even being an early pioneer, should not be ranked over any of those fighters in a H2H list.

I don't care what incompetent old timers he beat, they aren't Hopkins, Hagler, Monzon or Jones and he'd get KOed in the first against any of these guys.

You oughtta be ashamed of yourself.

 

I agree, Monzon hands James Toney his ass also. I'm trying to place Toney somewhere in the lower top 10, probably #8.

 

On the contrary though, Hopkins doesn't stylistically like good, controlling jabbers who follow it up with a laser straight, especially with him being such a commanding inside tactician, one of the best ever at that.

Monzon's 1-2 would be enough for Hopkins to overcome alone, and on the flipside, Monzon was great at making people fight his fight, things like this go both ways.

I have Monzon 8-4 in a 12, 10-5 in a 15, maybe 9-6.