Where do you put Joe Louis all time, p4p?

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  1. McGrain

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    There's a real bias against heavyweights in p4p lists, generally speaking. But I don't think there many that were better than him at any weight ever.

    Post WW2 I have him very very high.

    What about you?
     
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  3. McGrain

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    I'm gonna guess he's your highest HW?

    Who would be the next heavyweight down on your list?
     
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    1. Henry Armstrong
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Ray Robinson
    4. Willie Pep
    5. Benny Leonard
    6. Ezzard Charles
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Archie Moore
    9. Joe Gans
    10. Sam Langford
    11. Barney Ross
    12. Carlos Monzon
    13. Joe Louis
    14. Muhammad Ali
    15. Tony Canzoneri
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Are you sure? I mean, how sure are you? I have Ali above Louis too, but it isn't sitting very well with me tonight.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Your lists are always excellent...this one is no exception. I would see Langford higher. And you should have Burley on there.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    TBooze...the master of the list...you've put Foreman above Louis by mistake...haven't you?
     
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  9. TBooze

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    No, Louis is above Foreman...;)

    Louis #29

    Foreman #34
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Oh yeah I read it backwards.

    Thank Christ.

    OK, which heavyweights do you have above Louis?
     
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  11. TBooze

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    Just the one full time Heavyweight; Ali (#11 all-time)
     
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  12. McGrain

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    What puts that amount of distance between the two for you?
     
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    Thank you, but I disagree about Burley. I see Burley as no more accomplished than Luis Rodriguez or Kid Gavilan (around the #35-40 level).

    I find Langford's career too shrouded in mystery and uncertainty to rate him any higher; I don't know specifically how many fights he genuinely lost or threw, or how many losses were down to racist judges or whatever.
     
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    Definitely. The only real thing separating Greb and Armstrong is the fact I have substantial fight footage of the latter.
     
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    I always find TBooze's list quite hard to judge. Some picks I adore, others baffle me.
     
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