Where do you rank Bernard Hopkins on the P4P list?

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  1. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    you will be hard pressed to find anyone other than yourself who has him ranked number 3 at the moment.I'm finished arguing
     
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  2. King Dan

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    I have Hopkins top 10.

    I'd say he is #5-#8
     
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  3. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bump.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    10-15 IS justafiable I think.

    For the most part Hopkins high ranking is laughable. 12 rounds is tough for the guy now, so he shouldn't be in any top 5's because he doesn't tend to score KO's.
     
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  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, yeah, most had him #3 or #4 BEFORE the Calzaghe fight but that's the key, BEFORE. Before that fight, Hopkins never gased to a point where he had to fake low blows. He always finished fights strong. Hopkins struggled just to last while Calzaghe took the fight to him. When i first watched the fight, i was somewhat biased and scored it for Hopkins (6-6) but after watching it several more times, there is no way Hopkins won IMO. Just way too inactive after the first 3-4 rounds. Calzaghe didn't look good but like Jermain Taylor, he won based on sheer activity.
     
    klion22, Sep 3, 2008
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  6. TFFP

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    I had him at 1 before Calzaghe beat him.
     
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  7. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    If people aren't going to give credit to De La Hoya for beating Manny, I don't see why you should give credit to Hopkins for beating Winky. As far as I'm concerned, he lost two fights to a borderline top-20 guy in Jermain Taylor, good win over Tarver, then won a fight against a guy who was fighting 16 pounds above his best weight, then lost a close fight to Calzaghe, but did it in a way that you could tell that there's no possible way he could have beaten him, simply because he doesn't have enough stamina left in that old body of his.

    FWIW, I didn't have Hopkins in my top 10 BEFORE the Calzaghe fight.
     
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  8. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Me as well...I have him about 8.

    I just dont get how losing to the number 2 p4p fighter in the world by a RAZOR thin margin constitutes him dropping so far down???
     
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  9. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    But, Hopkins was 10 pounds above his natural weight. Why do people conveniently leave this tidbit out???

    :-(
     
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  10. tpuz

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    I guess you were wrong about that - you had him ranked higher than Calzaghe, which means you thought he would beat Calzaghe.
     
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  11. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    outside top 10
     
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  12. Loewe

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    Well, he had a close fight, I had him winning 114-113, with the consensus number 2/3, beat the a top5 p4p before and the number 1 lhw before that. So, he deserves to be ranked highly. Everything from 4-7 is reasonable to me.
     
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  13. treva1977

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    seven

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  14. BoxingGuru

    BoxingGuru Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not on it whatsoever.
     
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  15. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's a big difference. Manny is a midget compared to DLH while Winky and Hopkins were fighting at MW before Hopkins moved up. And they both have comparable opponents in Trinidad and Taylor to make a good gauge. Hopkins was naturally the bigger man but it was NOT what you would call a total mismatch.

    As a matter of fact, Winky was the slight favorite heading into the fight. He hadn't lost in 8 years and was riding high with victories over MosleyX2, Quartey, Trinidad, and what a lot of people feel, a win over Taylor. And he was a consensus top 5 P4P guy. Only after the fact when Hopkins completely outclassed Winky do people say the obvious things like, "Oh, Winky was way over his natural weight."
     
    klion22, Sep 3, 2008
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