Where do you rank Hopkins in the ATG middleweights?

Between 4-8. Don't have a clear MW list as of now, but he's clearly behind Greb, Monzon, and Hagler IMO.

 

Behind Hagler and Monzon.

 

umm...i have him in my top five.
Behind Monzon and Greb.

 

H2H and all around he is as good as anyone in the top 10 but I cant have him top 3 to be honest. Id probably rank him 5 or 6.

His achievments at middleweight just dont stand up that well against guys like Monzon, Hagler and Greb.

3 of his bigger wins werent even at the weight.

 

Probably 4th.

The film of Greb is so limited, but at the same time, you can't just ignore his ridiculous achievements.

Tenatively, my list goes Greb, Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins, Robinson.

 

:good I'd probably have him fifth after robinson, even though robinson was a better WW

 

# 1 Marvin Hagler
# 2 Suger Ray Robinson
# 3 Carlos Monzon
# 4 Bernard Hopkins
:deal

 

I think #4 is the highest I would rate him, #7 probably the lowest.

 

1.Hagler
2. Greb
3.Monzon
4.Hopkins

 

I see a lot of people putting him from fourth to eighth. I see this as being an understatement of his accomplishments, and I expect in the years to come he'll be ranked higher.

 

But do you think his wins over Pavlik, Tarver, Winky and his close loss to Calzaghe should be counted in his ranking here?

They werent part of his middleweight reign...

 

Second

1. Marvin Hagler
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Ray Robinson
5. Harry Greb

 

head to head he would give any fighter in history at his weight trouble so it is tough to say..I would give hagler 1 though

 

yes...they are still fights and are heavier...he gets more credit for thos than beating a blown up ODH