Where do you rank Hopkins in the ATG middleweights?

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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Cant disagree with that.
     
    WhataRock, Oct 27, 2008
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  2. Thread Stealer

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    I don't see why his light-heavyweight fights have to deal with his standing at middleweight.

    It's like holding Roberto Duran's inconsistency in the 1980s against his ranking at 135 lbs in the 1970s, or detracting from Michael Spinks's light-heavyweight ranking because Mike Tyson destroyed him or Larry Holmes really winning the rematch.

    It's a totally different division, and should have no bearing IMO on his middleweight ranking.
     
    Thread Stealer, Oct 27, 2008
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  3. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    1.Fitzimmons
    2.Monzon
    3.Hagler
    4.RJJ(I think he beats Toney at 160 also)
    5.B-hop
    6.SRR
    7.Ketchel
    8.Greb
    9.Cerdan
    10.Griffith
    11. Dick Tiger
    12. Nino Benvenuti
     
    elchivito, Oct 27, 2008
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  4. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    See I always have felt Greb was a clear cut #1 at middle. He has wins over Flowers and Walker there which are huge, plus a ton of very good wins. I don't even see how I can place Monzon above Greb. At 3 you have to have Hagler. Close but clear over Hopkins. I don't see how anyone cannot have Hopkins at 4. Robinson makes a slight case there but was too inconsistent.

    1. Greb
    2. Monzon
    3. Hagler
    4. Hopkins
    5. Robinson
     
    Fedor Em, Oct 27, 2008
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  5. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Greb at 8? Are you serious
     
    Fedor Em, Oct 27, 2008
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  6. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is from 5 to 10.

    No way he ranks higher than Hagler. His biggest win at 160 is against Tito.
     
    PATSYS, Oct 27, 2008
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  7. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think becoming an ATG is an amazing achievement in itself. Where he lies on that scale matters not. To even be mentioned amongst these legends is an honor.
     
    dave82, Oct 27, 2008
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  8. Quickhands21

    Quickhands21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1.Monzon
    2.Greb
    3.Hopkins
    4.Hagler
    5.Robinson
     
    Quickhands21, Oct 27, 2008
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  9. dudemcdudeson

    dudemcdudeson Guest

    He is #1 in my opinion
     
    dudemcdudeson, Oct 28, 2008
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  10. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    top 10 not top 5
     
    SouthpawSlayer, Oct 28, 2008
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  11. DINAMITA

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    1.Harry Greb
    2.Carlos Monzon
    3.Marvin Hagler
    4.Bernard Hopkins
    5.Ray Robinson

    (I have Hopkins higher than Hagler in my all-time pound-for-pound rankings, but at middleweight I think Hagler's resume gives him a slight edge)
     
    DINAMITA, Oct 28, 2008
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  12. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. I don't count what someone does over the weight in question toward their ranking AT that weight. Those add to his overall legacy.
     
    Marnoff, Oct 28, 2008
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  13. Sweet Pea

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    Explain the above placings please.
     
    Sweet Pea, Oct 28, 2008
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  14. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. That makes it sound like he's being done a favour to rank him on the list. Hopkins has earned a solid place in the top five.
     
    Marnoff, Oct 28, 2008
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  15. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Not neccessarily, not for his body of work in the MW division.
     
    Sweet Pea, Oct 28, 2008
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