Where do you rank Hopkins in the ATG middleweights?

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  1. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I find it hard to find a five that definitively place him on the outside. His ability and resume are among the best.
     
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  2. Sweet Pea

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    His ability certainly is, but not his resume, not when talking strictly MW. I could probably name at least 10 who outrank him in that regard. All things considered there's a good argument for him placing in the top 5, though.
     
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  3. Sweet Pea

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    Underrated fighter. Rates very highly on a list of the best fighters to never win the title.
     
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  4. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Its not limited, its non-existing. The only limited part is his boxing abilities.
     
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  5. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    And you know this from the non-existing footage? :lol:

    Congrats, you're now an ignorant ***** on two forums.
     
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  6. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Ditto. I have already owned you regarding this topic - care for a second round - or are you out of excuses? I know you dislike being sent to school, but you make it so easy. Then again - you are afterall only a kid, so you are somewhat excused.

    One advice - stay off the green, when you participate in discussions, it doesn't make you smarter.
     
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  7. cuchulain

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    With strict regard to MW performance, I would agree with your placing of Hagler ahead of Bernard.

    But overall, Bernard is greater than the marvelous one.
     
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  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Which topic was that? The amount of footage available of Greb? You've just stated that the footage was non-existing, and somehow you know the same to be true of his skills. What sense does this make?

    For everyone wanting to see DP's true colors, get a whiff of this doozy.:patsch

    Talking here about ATG WW and MW Emile Griffith:


    I know, I know, I'm feeding the troll, but he makes such a compelling case for being legit in his views, moronic and uneducated as they are.
     
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  9. WhataRock

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl

    Pure Gold Dane...you should tour with that ****.
     
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  10. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holy **** dane, what were you smoking?!:rasta
     
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  11. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What i meant was if someone ranked Hopkins in the top 4 i can see why. Pea and Cobra have him between 4-7, and i got no problem with that. Hell, if someone ranked hopkins between 7 -10 i wouldnt have a problem with it. Being in the top 10 ATG MW is an amazing achievement.
     
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  12. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl
     
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  13. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins dominated a very poor middleweight era, but he did it for 10 years, with 20 title defenses; there is a balance. He cleaned his weak division, and beat fine fighters like Joppy, Holmes, Eastman, Glen Johnson, Trinidad (who earned his placed and proved he was a good middleweight).

    The 160 division of Hopkins was much weaker than Monzon's era, and weaker than Hagler era, but he dominated more than both of them. He did it until he was 40 years old. (Monzon beat his successor Valdez; Hopkins lost a controversial decision against a much younger middleweight; Hagler lost a close decision against the inactive welterweight Sugar Ray.)

    Hopkins beat smaller men like De la Hoya. Monzon also beat Emile Griffith, etc. Hagler beat Hearns and even Duran. Sugar Ray Robinson was beat and beat Carmen Basilio. Recently, Jermain Taylor beat Cory Spinks and Kassim Ouma.

    The win over Tarver. I think it counts a little bit for his middleweight legacy, a bit. Greb also has a similar prestige because he beat much bigger men. Monzon and Hagler didn't. Michael Spinks has a plus because he was a Light Heavyweight who won the Heavyweight title. Hopkins should have a distintion because he is one of the few Middleweights who won the LHW title.

    The win over Wright doesn't count much. It is only an interesting anecdote that Winky was the #1 middleweight contender; but just an anecdote. It can create speculation, but nothing more. The same goes for the win over Pavlik.

    My 160 list continues to be like this:

    1. Carlos Monzon (was very dominant, ranks very high toe-to-toe, didn't lose the title)
    2/3. Bernard Hopkins and Marvin Hagler (very close)
    4. Harry Greb (I don't favour him toe-to-toe against the others)
    5. Ray Robinson (was too inconsistant at 160)
     
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  14. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  15. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Seemingly you all are capable of saying he is top 3 ATG with no match footage, so maybe hold up a mirror. Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot, sucker, and being so easy to own. Thanks for showing your true colors that you can't fight on your own, and need to have backup. However I am not gonna follow troup and post what you have written elsewhere, because you make a fine piece of **** on your own right here.

    Here is your ATG. Enjoy... I am expecting many constructed excuses...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMA6Pd6tT3Q
     
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