Where do you rank Jack Dempsey??

The evidence is that they both dominated an era while Spinks only had a handfull of fights at heavyweight.

 

No evidence at all supports that they would beat Spinks and no evidence
at all supports that Spinks would beat them.

One might as well debate whether Julius Caesar would have been a
good pianist.

What we do know, as Janitor pointed out in a previous post, is that
Louis and Marciano dominated an era at heavyweight, and Spinks did
not. This is all history can tell us.

 

What were the odds on Holmes and Spinks? As Spinks won, I assume
he was favored, by your logic.

Lincoln is judged by most historians as a success as president because
he dealt relatively successfully with the challenges of the Civil War.
Herbert Hoover is judged a failure because he failed to meet the
challenges of the Great Depression. It does not follow that Lincoln
could have handled the Depression better than Hoover, or that Hoover
would have necessarily failed if he had been president during the Civil
War. No historian can honestly say. What a historian can say is that
Lincoln was more successful in his day than Hoover was in his.

 

This post does answer one question which arises now and then on this
forum--who was better, Johnson or Jeffries?
It is clearly Jeffries as he was the 10-7 favorite in their fight and the
odds were set by the evidence, as you say.

 

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"Don't treat your guesses the same as mine. It's insulting."

 

Interesting. No rebuttal. One can always tell when an analogy strikes
home.

It also allowed you to duck the question about Spinks and Holmes.

 

And you should learn that the prosecuting and defense lawyers do not
also sit on the jury.

The fact is these two fighters were contempories and the odds were
still way off. Now think how much more difficult it is when two fighters
are generations apart, fighting under different rules and with different
gloves, living in vastly different social settings with different medical
care, nutrition, etc.

 

Actually he's getting the pie right now.

 

Almost aways? I've have never ever been wrong myself and I think
I am much older than you.

The people who set odds though have often been wrong, indicating
I guess human frailities which you are scarcely subject to, and I
not at all.

 

Still nothing about Spinks and Holmes.