Where do you rank Jack Dempsey??

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think it is a fine distinction.

    Whatever the case Willard found a way to win. We have to at least give him that much.
     
  2. janitor

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    The race riots that often resulted from mixed race boxing matches were a legitimate concearn at the time. People got killed in them. Johnson himself suffered considerable psychological trauma due to the concequences of the Jeffries fight.

    It might not be fashionable to say it, but the people who advocated the colour bar were not motivated exclusively by evil.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I do not defend the government of the day or the general atitudes but-

    Say you are a boxing promotor (a small cog in the system) and you know that a mixed race match might cause public disorder and even deaths-

    Are you necisarily a bad person for not wanting to promote that fight?

    Is a white champion who dose not want to take on a legitimate black challenger for the same reasons necisarily a bad person?

    It is easy to judge from the comfort of the 21st century.
     
  4. janitor

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    Yes.

    Johnson found a way to lose.

    Yes.

    Johnson was Willard's superior and he showed it for 25 rounds.

    Yes

    Well-trained, Johnson would whipe Willard every time.

    Yes.

    Willard won the fight by any reasonable measure.

    It was not Willard's job to march Johnson down to the gym and make him train.
     
  5. UpWithEvil

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    That way being, of course, running out of gas and getting walloped.
     
  6. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first person convicted under the Mann Act was a madam named
    Jenkins for transporting five prospective prostitutes to a mining camp.
    The Mann Act was passed to control prostitution.
     
  7. UpWithEvil

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    After eating a big right hand. Lots of fighters feel like laying down after eating punches.

    Still, your continued insistence that Johnson had a yellow stripe and flopped to avoid taking a licking is typical of your wild confabulations, based solely on your own proclamations as a self-designated authority.

    Not that anyone here expects any less from you, Perfesser Clownshoes.

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    "It's what all the evidence points to."
     
  8. UpWithEvil

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    Out of shape, exhausted, overwhelmed with the realization that he was about to be on the sticky end of an ass-whipping. Reasonable.
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    Willard Knocked Johnson out and that was the LAST thing Johnson wanted
     
  10. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Mann Act was passed in June of 1910, before the Jeffries fight.
    "White Slavery" referred to prostitution.
     
  11. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So. A "White Slave" is a girl or woman forced into prostitution, and a
    white slaver is one who engages in such traffic.
    It has nothing to do with miscegenation, if that is what you
    are trying to imply.
    I might be wrong, but I think years later Lucky Luciano was convicted
    under this law and eventually deported back to Italy.
     
  12. UpWithEvil

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    So he's a front-runner AND yellow?

    Boy, I bet you think you're defending Johnson, too.
     
  13. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    wow, this thing keeps going? :rofl
     
  14. janitor

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    The majority of fighters are concious while they take a ten count and a lot of them choose not to get up.

    There is nothing unusual or controvertial about such knockouts.
     
  15. UpWithEvil

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    So he's a front-runner who quit when he got tired. Such a stirring defense of the man.