Where Do You Rank Joe Gans?

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  1. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seriously McGrain that stuff will kill you! No more bumps!
     
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  2. McGrain

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    :deal
     
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    Who is your avatar, brother?
     
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  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I find it difficult to understand how anyone rates him outside of the top 3, unless they rely heavily upon hypothetical H2H scenerios and under value old timers or over value the modern eras....

    Personally I rate him #3, but depending upon differing times of evaluating he has a valid argument for 1-3....Right now I go Benny, Roberto & Joe, but he deserves to be considered as top 3 and that seems the general consensus.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    I think Leonard's was a stronger division.
     
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  6. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My Lightweight rankings
    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Pernell Whitaker
    3. Joe Gans.

    Pound for Pound? I'm not sure exataly. Top 25 for sure. I'm only commited to a top 6 in terms of pound for pound.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Tommy West.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think both Leonard and Roberto are greater than him.

    I think he's as great as Whittaker, Armstrong and Williams all of whom I'd pick to beat him.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    So Boxrec is the tool you use to describe activity levels in different eras, but the fact that it doesn't describe activity levels in different eras doesn't matter?

    :lol:

    I am talking about the highest levels of competition. Right now I'm looking into Tommy West, one of the most important contenders of his era, and his record is woefully inaccurate. I'm not talking about the Charlie Zelenoffs of that world, I'm talking about the Carl Froches.
     
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  10. Minotauro

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    I rate him as the number 1 lightweight of all time and possible top ten p4p.
     
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  11. Ted Spoon

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    Everybody is inclined to tip their hat to history, any man may acquiesce that a fighter was great for their time, but the beauty in Gan’s is that he is still combating that primitive prejudice.

    When newcomers see him smoothly dispose of Kid Herman, they may still be opposed to the economic, slow-burning tango of the 1900’s, but they will readily concede that this guy had something.

    Gan’s beautifully conveys through those flickering images that men in his era not only had a firm grasp of the finer details but that he himself was a truly exceptional and timeless talent. Timing, adaptation, grit – all the constituents that fashion our most extolled warriors he displayed like Morales does mileage.

    He has a good argument to be placed at the top of a heavily crowded lightweight division. And it’s hardly a far-fetched notion that he could’ve stopped Benny Leonard or bemused Roberto Duran.

    However, when it comes to resume, Leonard may just have the most impressive one ever recorded at a single weight.
     
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  12. burt bienstock

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    The original "Kid McCoy ". Norman Selby ...
     
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    The REAL Kid McCoy, if you asked him. :good But yes, I love that tricky, problematic man.

    I was actually asking McGrain, who his avatar was: Tommy West, who McCoy ironically knocked out in 1896.
     
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  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Fine piece of insight and well put.
     
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  15. louis3749

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    at Lightweight i have him at #2 behind Leonard, and only by a hair. p4p he is currently my #3.
     
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