Where do you rank Pacquiao in the ATG list?

Pacquiao has cracked my top 20.

These rankings are obviously subjective and ultimately mean nothing. The important thing is that Pacquiao has proven himself as a truly great fighter who can be mentioned alongside anyone.

 

I can see him argued a lot of places. I'd put him around thirty. Not sure about 21-30 or 31-40. But around there. My problem is even the greatest modern fighters are hard to gauge against the old-timers, because of the number of fights, change of round limits and just generally gentler way they have to go, hard as the sport is anyway.

 

High.

 

Top 10-30 ... a naturaly lightweight or super feather taking on and beating up all the welterweights is ****ing amazing, a win over Floyd would put him top 10 at the least IMO. His resume at welterweight is better than Floyd's and Floyd has been that weight for like 5 years!

 

This is the top 30 of Ring Magazine's 80 best fighters of the last 80 years back in 2002.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney

I don't agree with a lot of the placements, but it's a passable list. One could make an argument for sticking Manny in the mid-20's there.

 

I could easily make a case for him being higher than Marciano & Dempsey, so going by that list top 15. You could also make a case for him being higher than Joe Louis, depends what criteria you are using and how highly you rate the Schmelling's & Baer's. To me they are nothing but top contenders in the division, I wouldnt class them as ATG's or even HOF'ers but due to them being involved in very high profile fights in a very glamorous division back when boxing was huge, their greatness is amplified.

 

I like Ring but that's a pretty poor list.

If I was only including these fighters, Manny would probably be top 15.

 

**** list from the ring there - how does Holyfield, Holmes & Foreman all get in above Lennox Lewis?

 

high end of 15-20 for me

 

A top 30 with no Bob Fitzsimmons?:huh

 

Prob because all three are greater!

 

top 30

 

A win over Floyd and P dub and ill put him top 15 or 10

 

Minus 80 years from 2003 and there is your answer.