where do you rank peter after last night?

Below Chagaev, Ibragimov, Wlad, and Maskaev. Number 5.

 

ahh such a depressing division...

 

If he beats Oleg then his resume will surpass Ibragimov's. Rightfully he will have earned his place at #3, possibly at #2 depending on what Chagaev plans on doing.

As of right now Waldo has the lead based on accomplishments. Same goes for Chagaev at number 2 for his two wins over Ruiz and Valuev. I have Ibragimov ahead of Maskaev because I feel Maskaev had weaker competition moving back up into title contention. But neither are far off.

Also keep in mind Ibragimov has a draw with Ray Austin. Whereas Sam has a win over McCline. The only one who has beaten Sam so far is Waldo and he had to struggle to get that victory. So Sam has to be ranked highly should he beat Maskaev and become the legitimate WBC beltholder.

 

I never had him at #2 in the first place, so certainly not now. I used to have him in the 3-5 range, but I'd say he's dropped a couple spots. Probably somewhere around #6.

 

Good post. I had him in the top 10 before the McCline fight, and that's about where he is now. Top 5 maybe, but that's pushing it. The 2 Toney fights and this performance don't drop him but they don't exactly leap frop him either. I mean how many top HWs couldn't beat that version of Toney? Barely beating McCline - highly disputed by many - should not change your ranking much in either direction.

 

China Chin Sam should be ranked around 10th place.

 

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This certainly hurt his aura and reputation, but I don't think it hurt his ranking, nor did it improve it.

I bet it'll get him alot more fight offers, cause now, everyone will want a chance to beat his ass. LOL

 

That's a good point. I think Peter is damaged goods. Has been since the Wlad fight. Wlad's punches did some permanent damage to this guy and he will always be a little shaky from now on.

 

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Yea I suppose it had nothing to do with eating flush uppercuts and right hands from a very big heavyweight. :-(

Try and watch the knockdowns sometime. That second one would have dropped anyone. And likely would have knocked Waldo out cold.

 

Dude, those uppercuts were nasty. I agree with you on that. But ever since Wlad laid a beating on Sam, he has not looked as durable as he did prior to the fight. For heaven's sake, Toney actually backed him up several times in their first fight.

 

No doubt.

I believe Waldo and "I fold up big time" have already faught. Try and watch it sometime.

 

I have always have had Chag ahead of him. Virchis, Ruiz, Valuev- Chag has just beaten better competion.

An I always thought Peter was overrated.

So I would say that my oppinion hasn't changed much. He's somewhere in the top ten- I would move him down one or to notches to number 5 or so.

But the reality it, no one in this division is perfect. On a given night, anybody can beat anybody.

 

Yea Waldo was smart about his gameplan though. McCline is a big heavyweight with fast hands. You can't just wade in defensless against a guy like that. McCline's achilles heel is his stamina and his anxiety. Waldo took advantage of that and pretty much fought a perfect fight.

I wish Sam would have shown more respect for McCline's power early on. That and his progress from round 4 on would have said alot. As is, Sam still outboxed him which again shows Sam is improving as a boxer. Not many on here felt he had better technique than McCline.

I also feel that Sam would have gotten the late stoppage because McCline was seriously gassed and did nothing but punch and grab from the middle rounds on to the 12th. Unfortunately Ortega is as incompetent as Randy Newman.