Where do you rank sonny liston?

Are you deliberately being dumb ? Liston's amateur lasted than a year.He was in prison for just over
2 years.Do you really think he would have started boxing as soon as he entered prison ?
Or are you really that dumb ?

 

Hmm......so are you genuinely ignorant or are you lying ?
Sonny Liston never boxed before he went to prison.

 

No ! Leotis Martin stated that the bleeding was internal rather then external which
was the result of a detached retina.This could only have occured during the Liston fight.

 

No.Liston was extremely unlucky that his second defence was against the peak Muhammad Ali.
No heavyweight in history could have defeated that version of Ali.

Sonny Liston cleaned out the entire heavyweight division before he defeated Patterson.He should
have been given the opportunity to fight for the title around 1959/60.
Fortunately Floyd Patterson had sufficient integrity and honour to overrule D'Amato's
objections to him fighting Liston and the rest is history.

As for '' quitting '' against Ali ,Liston should never even have been in the ring.He was
suffering from bursitis in his shoulders and asked for the fight to be postponed.He
entered into that fight under conditions that no modern fighter would tolerate.

By the way,don't be so dismissive of Floyd Patterson.He may not have been
an elite ATG but he was a damn good fighter,and nobody defeated him as comprehensively
as Liston did.

 

None of this is true. Martin had surgery after the Liston fight, not after the Newton fight. His manager Pinny Schafer explicitly stated that the injury happened against Liston.

"He said he felt like he was looking through blood at Liston from the fifth round on," Schafer said. "There wasn't any blood you could see on the eyeball, so it must have been in the back of the eye."

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No,as I stated just because Sonny won the Chicago Golden Gloves in his less-than-a-year amateur career
doesn't mean he had more amateur experience than somebody like Henry Armstrong,who had a two year
amateur career.And no please,no more nonsense about Sonny Liston having several prison fights.

Most boxers throughout history,like Marty Marshall,had to take other jobs to supplement their income.
Why would this make them ,to use your favourite word, '' bums ''.?Why are you so disrespectful to a
man who the guts,drive and determination to be a professional boxer while doing a demanding job in
the construction industry ?

To deny that Cleveland Williams's overall fighting ability was badly affected by his gunshot wounds is
rank stupidity.

Unbeaten is a very fine book that has been widely praised.Mike Stanton,the author,is a Pulitzer Prize
winner and is obviously a Marciano fan.Why should such a man write lies about anything to do with Marciano,
including his fight with Joe Louis ?

Cleveland Williams fought George Chuvalo in 1971,when he was 38 years old.
Of course it was after that life-changing shooting incident.This version of Williams
was just a fraction of the one that fought Sonny Liston.Still Chuvalo had immense
praise for this very declined version of Cleveland Williams, saying he was one of
the hardest punchers he ever fought.

Nobody is doubting Marciano's punching power.Your reference to Marciano
having more punching power than Cleveland Williams is pointless.The fact is
that Marciano came damn close to losing a fight with Keene Simmons,a far
less formidable fighter than Williams.

Folley,Machen and Williams were,as you put it, top notch fighters.They were leading
contenders for several years.They were world-class fighters.To dismiss them as
second-rate is plain daft.

A peak Jerry Quarry failed to stop Scrap Iron Johnson in 2 out of their 3 fights.
A very,very past-it Sonny Liston stopped Johnson in their only fight.

I suppose you rate Juergen Blin as a greater fighter than either Joe Frazier or
George Foreman ?

 

Because Wlad faced real fighter who was his size and a fighter who made his living by fightig not a construction worker like Marshall.

Liston was bigger man and it was early fight while it was Wlads 24th fight.

I only understand that Wlad didn't lose against man 30 pounds lighter than him and was construction worker full time job not an actual fighter like Purity.

I'm sure that Stewart Wlad would destroy Purity.
It was easy for Sonny to avenge his loss against the man 30 pounds lighter than him and construction worker unlike Wlad.

 

Maybe further injury but we all know that Martin had surgery before Liston too and that he had eye problem too, it was the same exact eye.

I just can't see why you don't want to admit that he had eye problem before and that any good puncher would crack his eye because it was already damaged.

Like it was known that it was Julian Jackson who gave Geral brain damage not Benn, Nigel just finished the job.

 

How many times Liston went to prison before that prison?
Boxing was not unfamiliar for him since he got few times in the gym when he was teen.
Liston amateur carrer was 2 years
Liston never complained about prison, saying he was guaranteed three meals every day.[21] The athletic director at Missouri State Penitentiary, Rev. Alois Stevens, suggested to Liston that he try boxing, and his obvious aptitude, along with an endorsement from Stevens, who was also a priest, aided Liston in getting an early parole. Stevens organized a sparring session with a professional heavyweight named Thurman Wilson to showcase Liston's potential. After two rounds, Wilson had taken enough. "Better get me out of this ring," exclaimed Wilson, "he is going to kill me!"[22]

So he had 2.5 years prison boxing experience plus year amateur means that he was more experienced than Amstrong.

 

Lie he tried boxing but he quit after some older bully beat him in the gym at the age od 14.

Only liar is you.

 

I love this thread.

 

Nope sir.

It was the same eye he had the problem in the previous fight that caused him pains and bleedings.

It was first outside damage then Liston finished the job, but he had that same exact eye problem before Liston fight, what a coincidence.

 

LOL ! So according to you Liston's pre-prison boxing career consisted of one fight he
had as a 14 year-old !!
Oh wow,yeah how comes that wasn't taken into account when discussing Liston's amateur career ? !

 

I reckon @BoxingFan2002 is really Walter Mitty

 

Well you've pointed out Liston's brief boxing career as a 14 year-old ( come on man, you are really are nit-picking here) and that Liston of course boxed in prison.
However just because Sonny was so talented that he thrashed a professional boxer
doesn't mean he started boxing straight away during his sentence.To include his entire prison sentence as part of his amateur career is inaccurate to say the least.