Where do you rank Usyk all time modern HWs?

Joshua had beaten Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, etc and was unified champion and I don't think he was yet an ATG, especially after the Ruiz loss.

Moorer too was unified champion and had beaten Holyfield which I rank as a much higher win than Joshua, does Moorer rank as an ATG?

It's all too easy to lose clarity after a big win but looking at his heavyweight resume alone compared to what other ATG's have done, right now I just don't think it's enough yet for him to be in the discussion.

Now P4P that's a different question but heavyweight alone, nah, greatness shouldn't be so easily attained.

 

Far too early to say.

AJs biggest weakness was his inability to impose himself due to his fragility. If AJ opened up more he'd have got knocked out.

Chisora was a lot more durable and didn't have the same fear and he ran Usyk close by walking him down constantly.

The honest answer is we don't yet know. Usyk could be the best boxer of all time at this weight class.

I wouldn't proclaim him to be so yet. But if he beats Fury and Wilder I think I'd be on board then.

 

Assuming that he beats Joshua again and goes on to beat Fury to become the first undisputed HW champion in like 22 years, only Ali, Fraizer, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis and Klitschkos would be ranked ahead of him from the last 50 years.

On another note, can we please give it a ****ing rest with all the Usyk all-time ranking/fantasy match up threads.

 

Really hard to say, Usyk has only had a few fights at heavyweight although his performance vs Joshua was the most impressive of them all. A performance of a lifetime. A fury win doesn't really mean much until you know what form he is in. He's always been this up and down kind of guy and you never really know with him.

 

Gotta beat the winner of beyonce wilder and fury first then defend after, we can talk then

 

He's only three fights in at heavyweight. Beating AJ was a good start, but that wouldn't put him into a top ten on it's own. This is like asking where you rank Canelo at light heavyweight after he beat Kovalev?

 

Even after beating AJ, Usyk's resume still isn't as good as AJs. AJ has 24 heavyweight wins to Usyk's 3. He's 9-2 in heavyweight title fights to Usyk's 1-0. I think you are really getting ahead of yourself here. By way of comparison, even Deontay Wilder is 10-2 and Tyson Fury is 3-0 in title fights. Povetkin just finished his career 6-3. Vitali Klitschko was 15-2. Riddick Bowe was 5-1. Lewis was 15-2-1. Tyson was 12-4. Holyfield was 11-6-2. Chagaev was 5-3. David Haye finished 3-1. Valuev should be 5-3. Byrd is 6-2. John Ruiz should be 5-6-1. Moorer was 5-2. Tim Witherspoon was 3-3. Weaver was 3-3-1. Holmes is 21-5. Wlad Klitschko was 25-4.

WK 25-4
Holmes 21-5
Lewis 15-2-1
VK 15-2
Tyson 12-4
Holyfield 11-6-2
Wilder 10-2
AJ 9-2
Byrd 6-2
Povetkin 6-3
Bowe 5-1
Moorer 5-2
Valuev 5-3
Chagaev 5-3
John Ruiz 5-6-1
Fury 3-0
Haye 3-1
Moorer 3-3
Usyk 1-0

 

Defeating Joshua is better than all of Joshua's achivements. Also, he legit beat Chisora. These two achievements are better than bums like Wilder in my book.

 

This.