Where do you rank Usyk all time modern HWs?

Your opinion is that AJ is a better win than Holyfield? My opinion is that it is not.

H2H is nothing to take into consideration as you say since it's all subjective. At Heavyweight Usyk has won three fights. Three.

You are getting caught up in moment with Usyks Master class over Joshua, who was never half the warrior Holyfield was. Joshua who wasn't even half the fighter he was before the loss to Ruiz.

Moorer is only one of four boxers over the last century that has ever won a version of a world title at both light heavyweight and heavyweight along with Roy Jones Jr., Michael Spinks, and James Toney. His move to Heavyweight is more impressive than Usyks as it was a weight class lower than Usyks.

Your post is simply your opinion on accolades, nothing more. When his career is finished he will be a heavyweight ATG but for now the magic number is three heavyweight fights. Hard to grant him ATG over other heavyweights with three fights and Joshua being so timid after Ruiz ate his soul.

 

i have him number 1, he beat aj, would probably beat wilder and whye. fury is the only one who i see dethroning him

 

Completely irrelevant as it cannot be proved and never happened. Does that actually go into your thought process for ranking people as an ATG? Fantasy fights that never happened while evaluating someone?

If so, Jesus.

 

As one of only four men to go from Light Heavyweight to Heavyweight in the last century and become a champion in both I'd begrudgingly argue for Moorer as an ATG.

Just my opinion but it seems like that feat is enough to clinch it.

 

No.. We don't.

I wait until a fighters career is over before talking ATG status. I don't take things that never happened into consideration.

You do you though.

 

Shut out? It wasn't a shut out even the most optimistic scoring couldn't see that fight as a shut out, Joshua won at least 3 rounds on most people's cards and at worst 2 rounds. So no not a shut out, an impressive and dominant win yes but not a shut out.

Holyfield ranks higher than AJ and probably always will, even though it was an MD, the Moorer win over Holyfield probably wasn't as impressive as dominant wins like Usyk's usually are seen as more impressive that I agree with. But in terms of legacy? A win over Holyfield still counts for more than a win over AJ for me, but I can see your point of view here, it's not clear cut because of the manner of the wins vs the quality of the opponent, so it's a subjective argument.

I'd definitely favour Usyk over Moorer, Moorer was very good but very inconsistent and very good isn't enough to beat Usyk.

But I still stand by my point of view. 3 fights at heavyweight simply isn't enough for an ATG legacy especially when there's still a certain Tyson Fury to fight. I wouldn't of ranked Fury as an ATG if after he beat Wlad he had retired. One good win even over a unified champion and a win over Chisora is not the making of an ATG legacy. Was Leon Spinks and ATG after he beat Ali, was Buster Douglas an ATG after beating Tyson, one good or even great win isn't enough for me to elevate someone into the ranks of ATG at heavyweight.

 

Given that Usyk has only had 3 fights at Heavy, it's hard to match his resume up to other greats.

So right now he wouldn't even be in my top 50 Heavyweights - his resume is just too thin in that division - it's a bit like Roy Jones @168 - he only had like 3/4 fights in that division. H2H Roy is agruably the #1 168 of all time, but on resume he's not even top 10 for me.

So I guess it depends on what metric we are using.

Personally, if he beats AJ in the rematch then gets undisputed by beating Fury, then even wikth 5 fights he has to be up there on achievement alone; there would be no one else to beat really, so I could see that as an exceptional case.

H2H Usyk is a nightmare match up for any heavyweight in history, where the opponent would have to be 100% focussed and on point. I could see a place for Usyk Top 20 H2H, maybe even top 10, but I'd have to really think about it.