Where do you rate Jack Dempsey and why?

think we can be too hard on the current crop. I think it works both ways. Until we can look back at the present scene with hindsight it’s a little unfair. with hindsight we can look back on the 1920s-50s and say it was a great time but did the fans think that then, or did they thing the 1890s-1910's was better? I am coming to warm to the 1990's (which I thought was awful while it was happening) in a way I warmed to the 1980's during the 1990's.
I have read magazines from the late 50's full of articles on how TV ruins good fighters. In that period there was a worry that with the small clubs closing a useful prospect gets burnt out too quick on TV fights. Two articles in particular used Alex mifeff and huricne Jackson as examples of fighters who in an older era would have made the grade under a slower progression in lower risk fights.
Older fighters had hundreds of fights but how many were seriously competitive? They were certainly very well preserved for all that action. A lot of old timers possibly had careers similar to a Mexican record where they beat on bodies in the clubs just to stay busy where as now a fighter has sparring partners shipped in only to have fights cancelled.
I will say this. A great fight is still a great fight whatever the decade.

 

Not highly, really. McGrains ranking sounds right to me.

Weak resume, and I don't see the terror on film others do. He was quite crude, honestly, and was soundly, soundly outdone twice by the best fighter he faced.

Made history by holding the title, dished out a horrible beating to the inactive Willard, but had a horrible reign, saw the canvas every other fight, and was beat to hell against Gene.

 

It's not superior, just different. It requires a good deal of athletic ability and speed I think. It's not like LaMotta would be better served fighting like that, nor would Basilio.

 

He was a hype job. Sorry if i offend the Dempsey nuthuggers.

 

Welcome to the forum my Brazilian friend. You do give good examples, especially Kid Chocolate and Tunney as great innovaters, although the likes of Tunney/Gans/Benny Leonard/Chocolate while master boxers for their time were improved upon by later men in my opinion. I see improvements as gradual from 1900-1940s, after that any improvements were more physical than technical in my view

Just a tip if you put replies in your reply instead of my quote box it makes it easier to reply too. I've always wanted to visit Brazil, are you a big football fan? I've visited Peru as my ex-wife was from that country

 

It's not 'really'.
A fighter with an equivalent record in today's world who won the title from a lacklustre champion, defended against underwhelming competition while avoiding the number one challenger, and was then shown up by first credible opponent faced would be defined as a total and utter hype job.

 

1. My mistake he clearly beat him past his prime after Dempsey retired. Beating someone should never 'blow your reputation'.

2. Excuses excuses, writers of the time said Dempsey's management may not have fancied the Greb match up because he had problems with mobile fighters such as Meehan, words from the reporters of the time

3. 32 is 5 years younger than 37

4. Except your full of **** because Wills beat a 31yo Langford in their first fight before his price and went 3-1 in their first 4 fights, and something like 15-1-2 in their series

 

I'm not calling him a hype job. He would be viewed as such though.

Vitali is seen for what he is by people who aren't biased.

And in any case, I view Vitali as a hype job of sorts.

 

Coklab just like yourself is full of **** though, you accuse me of bias and then come out with hater posts like this worthy of the general forum. You ignore the fact Wills beat a near prime Langford in their first fight to support your biased agenda, ie Wills wasn't that good (despite being 10times better than anyone Dempsey beat) and Dempsey was justified in ducking him to fight sub par cherry picking opposition

 

Put it this way there are about 10-20 SHWs the size of Willard today that are faster, more athletic and technically better.

BTW who's ignoring who's posts now EQ? :hey

 

Lets see what a "fighter with the equivalent record today" might look like.

Lets say that some young cruiserweight terror comes allong knocking everybosy out at world level.

Now lets say that there is still a cruiserweight like Admek in the division and he looses to him by an SD then outpoints him in the rematch.

Now he steps up to heavyweight.

He knocks out Sam Peter in under 30 seconds

In this universe Wlad is the #1 challenger and Vitally is the champion.

He fights Wlad for the right to fight the champion and stops him in 23 seconds.

He then fights Vitally (as 1-2 years from now) for the title.

Vitally requests asurances that he will not be prosecuted if he kills this fighter.

Vitally gets beaten up and starts babling about some farm in the Ukraine. He barely only makes it out of the first round by 1 second.

For his first title defence he chooses a disease ridden Admek for a rubber match.

For his next fight he chooses a prime Bert Cooper and comes from behind to win.

He then breaks the boxoffice records for his fight with Chad Dawson.

He then takes on a prime Chris Byrd and wins a shutout decision.

Next up is a prime Shannon Briggs. He dominates Briggs untill he makes a mistake and gets knocked out of the ring. He still comes back to win.

He takes a long layoff to screw actreses, then gets dominated and striped of his title by Michael Spinks.

 

Listen power ponce,you clearly claimed since we had no footage of wills we couldnt tell how good he was,now your claiming something different.
Whenver someone pulls you up on your factual incorrectness you start spouting your bile.
If you dont like dempsey or something just say so,dont hide behind words,stats and convoluted logic. (AKA deception.)
I will take you seriously when you emprically show the forum evidence for physical improvement of fighters from even the past 30 yearsYou cant just assert something and expect folks to believe. Till then you have nowt.
Now take some creatine pills,some gatorade and a touch of lithium,and watch a jones highlight,preferably including tarver 2.