Where do you rate Lennox Lewis on your ATG HW-list

I don't see how Tyson can be top ten as his best win was Ruddock or a lightheavyweight Spinks.

Now i don't really believe that argument, but i'm just showing how stupid yours is.

p.s. What got you banned this time, Legend?

 

A shorter reply might be gained by simply asking, "what didn't get you banned this time"

 

The good thing for Lewis about mythical head-to-head fights is that it eliminates the flaws that cost him against McCall and Rahman - overconfidence and undertraining.

No question that the prime version has trained hard and is extremely focused.
And doesn't have Pepe Correa in his corner

 

Since all of those guys have been inactive ( very inactive in Joe's case) for the past four years, why the revisions?

Or do you mean you've rethought things from a fresher perspective?

My own list: (I have 3/4 and 5/6 undecided)

1: Ali

2: Louis

3/4: Lewis/Foreman

5/6: Marciano/Holmes

7: Liston

8: Tyson

9: Frazier

10: Patterson

 

I think Marciano had great comp, Moore, Charles, Walcott, LarSarza were pretty good for any champion to fight. I dont know why people always bring it down to saying it was pretty poor.

 

Well, you don't think that Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Ali or Lewis were good fighters either, so I don't even know why anyone bothers to discuss boxing with you.

 

I've read posts in the past where you have openly belittled the legacies of these fighters, and accused them of being grossly overrated. I'm begining to wonder exactly how familiar you are with their boxing careers as they size up to other fighters over the last 100 years of the sport. I'm also wondering if you truly study boxing with some other mechanism besides boxrec.

 

Lewis's resume seems to be the best of his era though he did not face his best contemporaries at their peak. However, even if Lewis was the best of his era, a lot of time has passed since boxing started and there are many different periods to take into considertion.

 

I rate him top 5 legacy-wise, top 3 head to head. There are just too many ways to consider the status of "all time great". From a socialogical standpoint, Jack Johnson would be way up there. Head to head, I'm not sure he can beat a RJJ or a Joe Calzaghe. That doesn't make him any less great. He did what he could with his talent limitations, in the limited era in which he lived.

 

What was his crime?

 

If he was in his prime then you must think he had a 7 year prime? thats not bad considering Tyson and Holyfield only get credited with 2 year primes at the most before all the excuses get made for them! On that basis Lewis is clearly a great.

 

While not at his peak he faced and defeated the best contender who was 7 years younger than he was and who went on to become champion and hailed as the best at the time.

 

i am huge lennox fan but i barely consider h2h in ranking. more important to me is how he performed in his era: the quality of opposition, the fashion in how he won, and intangibles displayed. i rate him between #4-6.

my rankings doesnt include pre-joe louis fighters since i dont know enough about them to make a good call. my top 3 are set firmly in stone but then i always waver between holmes, lennox, and foreman who i consider the next three. today ill say:

1-ali
2-louis
3-marciano
4-holmes
5-lennox
6-foreman

 

I was wondering when you would show up. I do indeed consider both Liston and Foreman (in both incarnations) to be middle of the road. A mobile opponent with endurance, resiliency and a good jab would have given either of them headaches.

As much of a joke as Carnera has been derided for being, he might have posed more of a problem for both than most would suspect, with his strength, reach and endurance.

Floyd Patterson never won over the 15 round distance either. When he was healthy, nobody ever wore him down over a longer distance. While I'm sure most everybody would prefer taking out an opponent quickly, so much history was made in the championship rounds (and consequently lost when they were abolished) that the question will always linger in my mind about how they might have responded in a marathon bout against live resistance.