Where do you rate Lennox Lewis on your ATG HW-list

Bowe looked good in the second fight too, Holyfield just fought smarter

Yes it does count against his consistency and everything, but i just don't think the third fight is a true indication of what Holyfield was really capable of

 

my point was there is no way anyone can say Holyfield was at his "PEAK" for the third fight. First and second fight, yes, but not third. No way

 

True that it's not an indication of what he was really capable off, but that doesn't mean we should forget it. It still counts against him.


And i don't think Bowe looked that good in the second fight. He was 15 or so pounds overweight and looked a lot less sharp. I agree that Holyfield fought a better fight and perhaps he could've won the first fight as well if he had those 10 extra lbs and better gameplan, but he didn't so we have to judge him like that.

Not peak, but certainly prime.

A year later he'd have the two biggest wins of his entire career by beating up Mike Tyson! He was seen as washed up, but in hindsight we know it was just a case of him being inconsistent.

 

If we treat Lewis the way you do then he's undefeated throughout his entire career.

 

i never said the losses do not count. I am just saying that the last fight is not a true indication of what Holyfield was really capable of- and his medical problems and everything that had been going on wit him

 

Pure speculation tho. Maybe Bowe was simply at his absolute best and too good this night. Not like it's the first time Bowe beat him you know.

 

do you think the 95 Bowe was better then the 92-93 version?

 

Probably not, he was gettin' on a bit. Doesn't mean he can't have turned back the clock that night tho. I'm sure you would agree Bowe is a peculiar one to judge. I know he struggled post Holyfield but that's cloudy too.

 

yes Bowe is not easy to judge, however i'd say he atleast makes anyone';s top 25

 

I would never disagree, but you have a top 10 Heavyweight in his peak years losing a series to someone substancially below him. Give me Lewis anyday thanks. Magoo made a very interesting post a handful of days ago. I tend to agree.

 

This statement needs some revising. Tyson nor Holyfield were their peak when Holyfield fought him. Bowe, Lewis and Moorer were prime, but Holy lost to all of them, and only really avenged against Moorer. Foreman and Holmes were on the comeback trail. Don't get me wrong, I love Holyfied and at one point I rated him as the best of the 90's to, but when we look at his accomplishments during the 90's he comes up a bit short when compared to Lewis.

 

Uh, Lewis lost far more brutally, and to MUCH lesser fighters, than Holyfield ever did.

 

Uh, but Lewis came back to flog both, which is more than Holyfield did. Bowe, simply put, PROVED himself to be the superior man. Did McCall or Rahman do this with Lewis? Not on your rhetorical life

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