Where do you rate Ray Robinson's wins over Jake LaMotta?

Check the Lightweight Survey thread. HA gets plenty of love at LW.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179997

The average weight disparity between LaMotta and Robinson is insane. You have to count them as MW wins since he was fighting a MW.

If both combatants are under a certain limit, you can consider it as being fought in that division for historical purposes (regardless of whether a higher limit division's belt happened to be on the line).

 

On Armstrong i'd say that if his opponent was above 135 then you should rate that as a welterweight win. If both are lightweights fighting for the welterweight title then yeah you could technically rate that win at lightweight. But when it comes down to it with Armstrong, he just won because he was very very good, regardless of a few pounds.

On Robinson it's difficult, i reckon IntentionalButt is right that if you're talking his resume you got to put them in as middleweight wins, but if you just want to straight up talk about how good he was at his best then you can say he was a better welterweight, because h2h, he was a welterweight beating a middleweight.

 

It just shows that the greats will not hesitate for 5 years to tackle a good middle nor even a great one like Jake. That is of course what makes him so great is is willingness to take on all comers

 

It doesn't matter what you rate it as, it's just a technicality. All that matters it is just truly significant and great.

 

How about Homicide Hank vs. the Bull in the early 40's? How spectacular a win would that have been? Or could it have even been, with any stretch of the imagination? :yep

 

Nah.

 

from what i have read every Robinson vs Lamotta fight was very very close with almost every fight causing a debate over who won.

Now Robinson despite a close 10 rounds dominated Lamotta so i think this one of the vest wins in history.

 

I rate it as a win at middleweight but it gives you an idea of how great Robinson was as a welterweight to beat top middleweights like LaMotta without weighing more than 147 pounds.

At MW those wins should rate extremely highly as well since Jake was a great fighter, atleast in my view. I think of LaMotta very highly, as a boxer that is, not as a person.

Here's a compilation I made of LaMotta's fights:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBz1gXQ3ZUY[/ame]


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp49ew3Uadg[/ame]


Unfortunately the majority of the footage is LaMotta into his 30's. Robinson said LaMotta had slowed down a lot by the time they fought a sixth time.

 

yout the guy taht got me to appreciate this victory and fight

 

That is so not true. What are your sources?

 

Alan S Rosenfeld mentions it in his book about Burley as he attended afew of them

 

I've spoken to Allen many times and he mentions me in his book.

This may pertain to the encounter after Jakes undisputed win but no other.