where does Calzaghe belong on a top 100 atg list?

Totally, because like Calzaghe, Hopkins had another champion in his weight division "dominating" it at the same time and he never fought him, right?

Hopkins beat everyone that mattered at the weight for 10 years, Calzaghe did not once fight the best man he could have, as well as a few others.

And Calzaghe is greater than Hopkins because when their challenger met each other, you know like Echols TKO3 Brewer, Holmes TKO12 Woodhall, Eastman W12 Ashira, Echols W12 Salem... they proved themselves superior, right?

Honestly, your the worst poster on this site.

 

Good post, I agree. :good

 

Jimmy Wilde, Bob Fitzsimmons, Ted "Kid" Lewis, and Jim Driscoll should be above Lewis all-time IMO. Maybe Freddie Welsh or Jackie "Kid" Berg also, although I put Lennox above both.

If you want to argue for#5 and put him over Driscoll I guess that is reasonable enough, but he doesn't surpass the other 3. so I disagree that Lewis is the greatest British boxer of all-time, although he is the greatest of the "modern" era.

 

I have him at around 100.

 

:happy :happy :happy WHAT A POST!!!! :happy :happy :happy

It should also be noted that Hopkins held the 3 major belts (WBC/WBA/IBF) from 2001-2005 (FOUR years), and all 4 genuine world titles (WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO) from 2004-2005.

Joe Calzaghe held the WBO (the least valued and least prestigious of the 4) on its own from 1997-2006... that's NINE YEARS. Yes, NINE. He held the WBO and IBF together for 7 months, then went back to just the WBO again, then added the WBC and WBA. He NEVER held all 4 at the one time, and never defended all 3 WBC/WBA/IBF, not once.


Who was the more dominant in their division? Give me a ****ing break. :hi:

 

I agree, I don't think it's up for debate.

Thanks for the compliment as well.

 

Well deserved. I thought there were more than enough reasons to prove Hopkins was a greater fighter than Calzaghe, and there you go and come out with yet another that I hadn't even considered! Cheers mate!

 

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I can't believe you would possibly rate Joe above Saad, Cobra.

Saad would have beat the hell out of him, walking right through his slapping offense with ease while jabbing his head in.

There wouldn't be any talk of "crafty old school " hopkins if that had been saad he was in there with at over forty years of age.He would have dominated thoroughly, with everyone saying he should have retired years ago etc..

 

Well, I don't doubt prime Saad walking through this Calzaghe, although I think Calzaghe would give quite a bit of problems. H'es a smart fighter and, while I am no big fan, he does adapt well, and upon rewatching he does seem to do quite well when his opponent is the aggressor.

Saad had a nice run in the late 70's to early 80's, but his whole career was somewhat inconsistant. I've never been big on the "greatness" of Saad. Hands down one of the most entertaining fighters ever though. I'm not an expert on his career and won't pretend to be, so maybe I'm missing something, but I think I'd rate them similar, in roughly the same range, and I did only say probably. Plus I was skimming over the list and looking for fighters that I could possibly see the argument for, because frankly there were not many, I'd rate Saad around the bottom of the 120 names Thread Stealer posted. But again, I'm not in any way an expert on Saad, so maybe you could enlighten me on how you rank them against each other. You don't think any argument can be made for Calzaghe possibly rating higher?

 

Saad only became really inconsistent toward the end of his career when he was pretty much a shot fighter fighting on well past his best days, similar to Qawi. Both fighters in their primes however were fantastic. At his best, I hold Saad in as high esteem as I do the very best of the stacked 70's and 80's LHW era outside of Foster and Spinks.

 

His first fight with the extremely tough and underrated Yaqui Lopez is on Youtube, and I think it showcases pretty much the very best of Saad(Franklin at the time).

 

I've only seen the rematch, so I'll have to watch that.

 

the smw champ is his 'negotiating tool', the 'undefeated' tag is a scam and if you read the boards - objectively - you know why.

i'm not dissing his SMW reign at all, calzaghe is and always will be an excellent fighter.

but i don't need to repeat my thoughts on the rest because it's getting old....

 

saad is often really underrated as a technical boxerpuncher because of his tendancy to get drawn right into wars.