Where does David Haye rank in Wladimir Klitschkos list of opponents? Is he the best?

True, and Brewsters knee had almost totally given up on him by that point.

 

I love this idea that Hayes cruiserweight resume just goes out the window. The guy has won 2 world titles away from home but apparently he has no expirience? Go figure.

 

Wait I'm not taking anything away from Haye. I'm just answering this thread with what the majority of people will say IF Haye loses Saturday night. 90% of people will genuinely believe he was no real threat.

I have a lot of respect for what Haye's done in his career and he only really loses this fight IMO because of size. But that's the heavyweight division, and right now it's Wladimir Klitschko's division.

 

Which of Haye's cruiserweight opponents would be competitive against heavyweight contenders ?

 

Haye's entire list of cruiserweight victims would struggle to last 36 minutes with Wlad between them.

 

Calzaghe disagrees with this.

 

While yes, the circumstances surrounding make it one of his better wins, it's more of how I personally rate Peter as a fighter more so than anything else. There's no problem really in which you've rated the victory, and the points you make are correct. It's just that I myself have always just felt Peter to be one of the most limited fighters in and around the top ten at the weight. All he possesses is a big right hand, and he's not exactly brilliant at delivering it for the most part. It's essentially the only thing in his arsenal, but he doesn't set it up well.

Take Wlad, for instance, who sets up his big right hand with his jab. He continuously pokes and prods with his lead hand, not throwing anything else at first, and almost lulls his opponent into thinking that's all that's coming, and then he'll follow it up with a well disguised, pinpoint right hand, which often does a lot of damage. Even Haye, who doesn't have the jabbing qualities of Klitschko, using angles, and brings his right hand into play from awkward angles. It's how Haye catches a lot of opponents off-guard, you're not always expecting a power punch to be heaved towards you when the guy appears to be deftly circling around you.

As I say though, you're ranking of the Peter win isn't incorrect really, it's just that, as I don't really like Peter all that much, I wouldn't place it there.

That's true. Not even so much their lack of power, but the massive size disparity had as big a part as any in ensuring Wlad a relatively easy night. They're tidy boxers, but you aren't going to outbox a man with at least 6'' on you in height, who likes to fight from the outside and wields a jab that is among the upper echelon of the sport. Depends on the criteria I suppose, for me they're better than Peter, but stylewise they don't pose as much of a threat to Klitscko than the Nigerian Nightmare, who at least tries to get in to land bombs, even if he's not too discreet in doing so.

Definitely not I don't think(as in agreeing with you, doesn't look good reading it back:yep), Haye does bring those qualities better than anyone since Sanders. Of course, the problem being that Wlad's improved his footwork greatly for one. Haye will have a harder task than Sanders did, but if anyone has the attributs needed right now, it's only Haye really.

I don't think I'm overly harsh. This isn't taking into account his cruiserweight work by the way, merely his four fights since he moved up to heavyweight full-time. I've scored it differently on the few times I've watched, and I believe a case can be made for a Valuev victory, he often lands somewhat clean jabs on numerous occasions during rounds where Haye throws next to nothing. Hard to score though, and more often than not I would have Haye winning.

I found Haye a bit uninspiring during the middle rounds against Ruiz, and the ones leading up to the stoppage too. I felt he allowed himself to get far too excited, the way he fought in the opening round was perfect, yet he didn't really keep it up. He got a bit sloppy, and started winging his right hand a bit too often. But, of course he did throughly dominate him, and a lot is to be said of that. Beating Ruiz to such an extent that he was forced to retire is obviously quite the feat, I just feel he coud've made it easier for himself in the long run.

Which, incidentally, makes me wonder if he's learned from that. It makes me think that, if he were to hurt Wlad early, and failed to put him away, would he drift away from fighting the way in which he was able to hurt him? Food for thought I suppose.

Most dangerous for certain I believe. His blend of speed and power, and the way in which he utilises it, will definitely be something that gives him more of an upper hand than Klitschko's most recent adversaries.

 

Haye has the most speed and Power of a Klit opponent but maybe more importantly has one of the worst chins/punch resistance of a Klit opponent.

It's safe to say one of them is getting knocked out and its prob going to be Haye.

 

Chambers is very underated, because he dosent have knockout power.

Beating S. Peter and A. Dimtrenko is no small feat.

Losing a close decision to A. Povetkin is nothing to sniff out.

Lasting untill the 12th round against a prime defensive Wlad is also nothing to sniff out.

Probably one of the better boxers pound for pound in the heavies.

But his drawbacks are this - He weighs in around 208 at his best...but even so he still pudgy..and could lose another 10 pounds.

So he is very small...

 

he looks the most dangerous to date but going on his heavyweight resume hes probably way down on the list.

A lot depends on his performance on saturday night. Win or lose

 

Honestly I think the Mormeck that Haye beat and even an inform Enzo would have beat allot of Wlads recent opponents.

How many of the guys Wlad has faced recently would last 12 rounds with Haye. Honestly I think Haye beats every single one of them quicker.

 

Chambers is a fat Cruiserweight. Haye is a small Heavyweight. Thats the difference between them. Along with a whole lot of skill, speed and power.

As Haye so aptly named him. "Fast Food Eddie"

 

True, but i also have a problem with this-


If Wlad is incredible and beats and an equally incredible Haye...does this mean something?


What if both are poor?


I think for me personally, Haye is the on level of Chambers, Ibragimov, C. Byrd.


Haye brings the best power and speed combo since Wlad fought C. Sanders, but at the same time Haye maximal strength and abilty to take a shot is not as god as say ibragimov or chambers.

 

Enzo would not beat the likes of Peter, Chambers, Chagaev, Thompson or Ibragimov.

The best fighter Haye has faced are Valuev and Ruiz.