Yes, I had it 8-4, 7-5 Castillo is the very least I can give Mayweather watching that fight unbiased. This is a horrible mark against Mayweather because of what Castillo is, a limited, but effective B+ pressure fighter. He wasn't at his best, fair, but at his best, he wins 7-5 in a clear but close fight that was undisputed 7 rounds for Floyd, still not impressive. Hopkins' resume is superior, however, if you want to add that the Jermain Taylor loses put him down several notches, by all means, I have no arguments. But even then, I still would contest that Jermain Taylor is better than Jose ****ing Luis Castillo. Fair points, but I'd put Trinidad up several notches above Hatton as a WW, Trinidad actually iced off a decent B level MW impressively, Hatton couldn't even get a real legit win over a B level Welterweight. And we definitley cannot compare Trinidad's former weight runs to Hatton's, even at 154, Trinidad's work there is vastly superior.
Chavez,Corrales and Manfreddy were at best B level fighters !! So that would put them on par with Hopkins opponents !
Mayweather needs solid victories over guys like Cotto, Mosley, and even a dominant win over DLH to be rated among the greatest. How can you rate him that hight right now when his best fight is one in the WWe lol
Okay, if you want to play that game then you have to add in Echols, Vanderpool, Joppy, Trinidad and the lot to his MW run. Hernandez, Corrales, Chavez and Manfredy, what a big jump over the said above.:yep
That's what I am trying to say. Some opponents get overblown, others get underlooked, nearly all of Floyd's work in overblown.
I completly agree ..Especially by his fans ..If people are going to knock Hopkins for his level of comp the exact same thing could be done to Floyd's .Other than Delahoya the only other fighter that comes close to being an A level fighte was either Castillo or Hatton ...And honestly neither man surpassed Trinidad .And Hatton is one of Floyd's more recent opponents !
But my initial argument was that Mayweather's 130 reign alone was far superior to anything Hopkins had accomplished pre-Trinidad. With that said, it's not even close if you compare the lot of Hernandez/Corrales/Chavez/Manfredy with Echols/Johnson/Vanderpool/Allen.
They are pretty much on par with regards to level of op ..And Hopkins reign prior to Tito was nothing to dismiss either .Only thing was that he not yet unified ..Something that eluded Floyd if i'm not mistaken at 135 ..Better yet when had he unified ??If i'm wrong please let me know ..
Why does everyone think Nards best accomplishment is Trinidad? IMO DLH was the supperior fighter at the time.
Funny thing is, if you look at this thread it is very civil. You can bet though that by the end of the day it will be filled with b.s. All logical conversation will go by the wayside when the bees show up.
This is the problem with your whole argument here. I scored the fight for Mayweather, as did the 3 judges and most ringside observers. This is why you should deal with what acutally happened. When all 3 judges and most ringside observers score the fight for one fighter, it makes no sense to knock the fighter by trying to say he lost the fight. Furthermore, you say Castillo is limited but also a B+ fighter. Beating Castillo twice is not impressive according to you. However, you feel beating Casamayor would be impressive. This despite the fact that Castillo beat Casa. By what logic is Hopkins' resume superior? You spend a good amount of time completely trashing Taylor and calling him a B level fighter. You even called the guy who beat him twice a B level fighter. However, now you're arguing that he's much better than Castillo who you admit is a B+ fighter. I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me. I don't care about Tito as a WW. His win over Joppy is the reason I give him the edge over Hatton. However, he was dominated and KO'd by Hopkins, and he was dominated by a former JMW at MW. His only other win at MW was against Mayorga; a former WW who was coming up from JMW for the fight. Once again, I'm simply comparing Tito at MW to Hatton at WW. None of that other stuff matters.
I'm trying to make it all civil, productive discussion. But I also know that this one will blow up when the Joy Boy crew gets in here and goes about discussion by their normal ways. They are by far the most deluded bunch of joksters this side of Pacmania.