Where does Mijares and Guzman currently rank in your P4P?

that is way too low. majority of the posters have him at top 10

 

imo mijares could easily be in the top 3 if he has wins over montiel and castillo next year.

 

both in my top 15, but under 10.

 

Both are somewhere in between 12-16 on my list.

 

Yes but that is a big if, those are very good fighters. That is like saying JMM could be top 2 if he beaten Pac and Guzman this year.

 

yup thats why i said 'if'. castillo's ranked 1st by the ring at 115, and for good reason. i've been a fan of castillo for some time now, and imo would give mijares a good fight.

 

Mijares is number 11
Guzman is number 12

A few more solid wins between the two and they crack the top 10. Ability-wise, they are both top 10 with ease, but my pound for pound list is a mixture of mostly accomplishments and about 35-40 percent ability.

 

Niether in the top ten.

 

I don't have my list on me, but I believe I have Mijares just outside my top 10. Guzman might have cracked my top 20 with his most recent win, but if he did, it's just barely. Rafael Marquez I still have in my top 5, one spot ahead of Israel Vasquez (they're one and one against each other, Marquez was the better boxer in both matches, and he's naturally a lower weight than Izzy, hence he's a spot higher even though Izzy just beat him).

 

Thats it Brickhaus.
Guzman has 2 quality wins in his career and suddenly his Top Ten in some fans books.

NOway there are others that have way better wins against better oppisition. Mijares i have at 11 i think though.

 

Curious, do you have Izzy in the top 8, or is he not even in your ten? I know you don't consider either of them very well-rounded (I think both threw their D's completely out the window against each other but are capable of much smarter and more technical boxing) and consider them basically just offensive masters. Do you rate Rafa's clearly more precise and textbook punching form over Izzy's intangibles (such as his determination, trying a particular attack or angle repeatedly despite lack of initial success until it works or he sees an opening to try something else)?

You may or may not have heard, but I personally have forsaken the p4p format altogether.

Mijares and Guzman are clearly two of the best pros out there today, that's all that matters. :good