Where does oscar de la hoya rank?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    My latest heavyweight ranking is as follows:

    Ok, this time I've weighted it as follows:

    2 points for every year they were champion
    6 points for every fighter they faced in the top 10
    7 points for every fighter they faced in the top 5
    8 points for every fighter they faced who was the highest ranked at the time
    9 points for beating "the man"
    4 points for beating someone who was or would become "the man"

    Boxer Points total
    Louis 260
    Ali 255
    Johnson 134
    Holmes 133
    Charles 127
    Langford 126
    Lewis 125
    Jeanette 105
    Walcott 102
    Holyfield 102
    Marciano 99
    Patterson 97
    Jeffries 88
    Sullivan 84
    Tyson 84
    Dempsey 80
    Frazier 75
    Sharkey 74
    Liston 70
    Bae r69
    W. Klitschko 68
    Mcvea 62
    Schmelling 58
    Fitzsimmons 56
    Wills 54
    V.Klitschko 54
    Hart 52
    Corbett 50
    Tunney 44
    Foreman 44
    Willard 36
    Carnera 36
    Bowe 35
    M. Spinks 29
    Braddock 26
    Burns 22
    Douglas 21
    L. Spinks 21
    Briggs 18
    Johanneson 17
    Rahman 15
    Moorer 9
     
    lufcrazy, Apr 30, 2011
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  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spinks was two years removed from having robbed an old Larry Holmes. He was more proven than Carpentier at heavy but it's arguable whether it was really a better win imo.

    As for the others you mentioned, don't really see much of a difference really.
     
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  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Have you thought about doing a list like this for other weight divisions? I dare say you'd come up with some surprising and odd-sounding conclusions.
     
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  4. downgoesfrazier

    downgoesfrazier Guest

    this list is a joke
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    don't blame me, I just played around with the point system. Of course it isn't subjective so H2H or perceived quality doesn't come into play. simply based on what someone did during their era against the best ranked fighters :p
     
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    my actual ATG heavyweight list (taking everything into account etc)

    Louis
    Ali
    Rocky
    Liston
    Johnson
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Lewis
    Dempsey
    Holyfield
    Frazier
    Tyson
    Jeffries
    Langford
    Fitzsimmons
    Sullivan
    Charles
    Walcott
    Wills
    Jeanette
     
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    haha to complete my reserach on every lineal champ plus notable contenders for just the heavyweight division took about 5 days (luckily I have 2 weeks off work due to easter holidays :hey) so I just don't have the tiume to compile anything similar.
     
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  8. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    I think I'd have Manny Pacquiao and Matthew Saad Muhammad in mine before I'd have Aaron Pryor and Victor Galindez.
     
    Kittikasem, Apr 30, 2011
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  9. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im not going to sit and sift through that titanic sized list of boxers, sweet_hipsterist. But there are many guys on their with so-so resumes, and many guys on there who look like absolute dog**** on film.

    And there are many guys not in that list that should be. Was Ali in there, for one?:huh

    You talk about dominance so much, he was the dominant force across lightweight to welterweight, for the 2nd half of the 90's. Picking up scalps of fellow greats JC Chavez and Whitaker. I feel he deserved the nod by 3 rounds over Trinidad. The Mosley fights couldve gone either way also. He fought an astounding level of competition right upto MW, always holding his own. He had no business being in the ring with Hopkin's Light Heavy ass, but he hold his own. Most will not agree, but past his prime i believe he just nicked the Mayweather Jr fight.

    There arent many fighters in history who fought such world class opposition throughout his career. There arent many fights with wins over fellow ATG's.
     
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  10. goat15

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    pachilles, you're being unusually flexible regarding some of de la hoya's losses - nice to see!
     
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  11. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    - When are people going to realize that there is no place for a mention of JC Chavez in any post extolling the virtues of Oscar De La Hoya??? Those wins were worth nothing.

    - Oscar didn't hold his own. He got knocked out by a single shot.
     
    Kittikasem, Apr 30, 2011
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  12. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    but Dempsey's win over a 3 years retired, 35+ year old, incredibly limited even in his prime, Willard, is one of the most celebrated victories of all time?
     
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  13. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    What are you talking about? :huh I was talking about Oscar De La Hoya, how the hell could you read "Oscar" and think I said "Jack Dempsey"??? :nut
     
    Kittikasem, Apr 30, 2011
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  14. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its a comparison, *****. A relative one here. As it is generally lauded as one of the greatest wins of all time. And Dempsey made this guy's list, whereas Hoya didnt.
     
    Pachilles, Apr 30, 2011
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  15. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    A relative one?

    I still have no idea what you're on about.

    I repeat:

     
    Kittikasem, Apr 30, 2011
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