Where does Oscar Valdez rank P4P currently?

Valdez moved up one division and beat the consensus #1 guy there. Add that to his other accomplishments and he should in the very least have his foot in the door of most pfp lists.

He just made the cut at #10 on my list.

 

I never thought Lomachenko vs Berchelt would be especially competitive. Berchelt excels against "rock em sock em robots."

Lomachenko is too fast, too skillful, and too elusive. 116-112.

 

Lomachenko and Bob might've been avoiding Berchelt so as not to get Salido'd.

 

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Makes sense......apart from the fact that Lomachenko moved up in weight and fought a bigger, faster, harder hitting fighter a decade his junior.

 

Leo is a counterpuncher. Berchelt gets in your face and throws punches. We’ll never get the answers for why Lomachenko was fighting guys like Crolla and Jason Sosa instead of Berchelt and Vargas.

 

Noneck,

So we're back to pretending that Lomachenko didn't adjust *at all* in the second half of the Salido fight?

Teo may not be the volume puncher that Berchelt is, but he's plenty aggressive.

Do you know what else he is? Bigger, stronger, faster, a harder puncher, and a better boxer than Berchelt.

But you're right-- I'm sure Lomachenko was more concerned about a guy who "gets in your face."

 

No, I knew very little about either fighter going into this fight but based on what I saw they were both long on pride and effort and short on technical proficiency. Neither deserves to be in the P4P discussion. And, frankly, I get tired of hearing about the Mexican Warrior mantra all the time. There are great fighters from every corner of the globe. What makes SOME fights between two Mexican fighters compelling is they don't take a backward step, they are so prideful. But to suggest they are more talented or brave than fighters from other parts of the world is offensive.

 

Above ggg loma spence Crawford that's for sure

 

It's comparing a prime fighter at a large size disadvantage to a past prime but still good fighter in the correct weightclass. Crawford also did better than Spence. Brook has only lost at the elite level and hasn't even been especially close to losing otherwise. Boxers who recover from orbital fractures can generally fight after. Broken bones fully recover.

 

It also would've been comical if Bob and Loma continued to avoid the big names at 135. Teo looked vulnerable and got his number called, but had Loma secind guessing himself in the ring. I'm not especially impressed with Lomachenko's opposition between Gary Russel and Teo. Winning a few rounds late against Salido does not excuse skipping Berchelt and others.

 

Berchelt is good but he was never top 10 p4p, so I wouldn't say Oscar is top 10 just yet... top 20 for sure, though. Lopez got in so fast on most people's lists because he beat a top 5 guy.

If Valdez unifies and beats a boxer like Loma or Shakur, he's in.

 

I don't value current Brook that highly. But it means something to outclass him. Crawford is the first to outclass him imo.

Postol back then was a legitimate, undefeated, fringe pfp fighter. Crawford outclassed him too, and it hasn't been done since.