Where does power come from?

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Power in sports science is the ability to display strength quickly and Power correlates greatly with your vertical jump height and power clean.

    While guys like Tyson and Jones were clearly explosive athletes......i cant envision george foreman at age 40 having a 40 inch vertical... Yet he was still a very very hard puncher at a high age even with what many people would consider "bad" or atleast "nonconventional" punching technique.

    Which begs the question where the power came from when his hand speed was so slow late in his career and he did not look very explosive in his second career?

    Does power in the strength training and sports science sense even translate to punching power in boxing?

    George must have been brutally strong with the bone structure of a ****ing mastodon...
     
  2. 2piece

    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Brute stregnth is part of it, but also technique, accuracy, and throwing the punch wight the entire body.
     
  3. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would say a part of it has to do with power comes from whatever works for the boxer's form given his body make-up( they have to use what they have and can improve on it from there). I mean you see so many different types of technique/punches that generate power. What works for one, doesn't necessarily mean it works for another when generating power.. And some have it in general, and some just do not
     
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  4. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think technique is a big part and relaxing as you throw your shots when I tense up in the gym for whatever reason my power decreases which sounds wrong but is what happens .timing is also a big factor.
     
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  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Shoulder snap is the element that separates Foreman from guys built like him.
    It's a technique, pure and simple.
    For most it'll be learned.
     
  6. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Before we wax too lyrical about older Foreman's power, just remember that he was taken the distance despite landing good shots against the likes of Stewart, Schulz, Savarese, Morrison. He landed enough punches to have been considered by most to have beaten Shannon Briggs, who was only a year on from being stopped in 3 by Marion Wilson, yet failed to make much of a dent.

    These were all guys who were easily dealt with by some of the division's other big hitters. George was undeniably strong but strength doesn't necessarily equate to power. The roster of fighters who got hit by George and survived to tell the tale provides counter evidence to a widely held feeling that old George was devastating. A list of his top quality knockouts in Career 2 is not a long read.
     
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  7. impacted

    impacted Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just like good looks, a large ***** or intelligence, a guy can either punch with KO power or he can't. Keeping a tight fist with hip rotation will probably help, but no amount of strength training, steroids or technique would ever see Paulie Malignaggi hit like Kostya Tszyu, or even Naseem Hamed. Punching power is the magic dust that makes boxing the sport it is, and just like proper magic, it's inexplicable.
     
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  8. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course proper punching technique helps, im not new to boxing. Im wondering if there is a common physical denominators between punchers. Wide shoulders and a broad back seem to be very common among hard punching guys but there are exceptions
     
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  9. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    there is different types of power. Some generated by speed and sharpness and others by brute strength, and others by guts of exchanges as they are hit and hitting a guy when he is not ready. Julian Jackson power is different from Thomas Hearns power, yet they both come from the whole body.
     
  10. janitor

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    There is clearly no optimum build for power.

    The two hardest punchers that the welterweight division ever produced, are probably 5' 1'' Barbados Joe Walcott, and 6' 1'' Tommy Hearns for example!

    It also obviously isn't based primarily on strength or speed, and it is only loosely correlated with body mass.

    It is either a combination of factors, or primarily a neuromuscular thing.
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Shucks....I was fixing to write a poem about it!!!!
     
  12. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Genetics
    Technique


    Everything else

    Punchers like Julian Jackson are born, not made. Everyone would have that power otherwise.

    Technique is a close second. Paulie Malignaggi has very sound fundamentals, but he lacks power. Hence why he is feather fisted.
     
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  13. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Go on. Do it.
     
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  14. reznick

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    Look at Canelo hitting a heavybag in super slow motion. Look at his shoulder. It remains stiff, and in place.
    Look at Golovkin hitting a heavybag in slow motion. His shoulder rattles on impact, and reverberates throughout his arm and body.

    One is a good puncher for a MW.
    The other drops LHWs, Cruisers, HWs, and breaks SHWs bones in sparring.

    Mike Tyson said that KO power comes from "Speed, and the shoulder snap." Speed is an obvious trait that is universally understood. Shoulder snap isn't.

    If you watch Louis deliver a short overhand right on a SHW that makes him do a 360 spin, you have to ask what there is to it. He doesn't twist his hip, and he doesn't load up on the punch. The punch is short, kind of slow, yet explodes on impact. That happens from a world class shoulder snap technique.

    It's why guys like Louis and Golovkin can throw a 4 punch combo, where each one is fast, short, and thrown with KO power, while they remain balanced. The KO blows can be integrated into sharp combos seamlessly, and look effortless.

    World class shoulder snap punching can be an intoxicating power. If you want to see examples, look at young Foreman and Max Baer. They could dance, skip, bow, laugh, chill, and play in the ring. Because when their opponent got close, all they have to do is flick a shoulder snap hook at their heads, that can KO them. Wilder shows these tendencies as well.

    Monzons punches look slow and unpolished. A critic might say that his punches lack in snap, and that he pushes his punches. But when his lumbering fist lands, explosions. If Monzons punches didn't have explosive effects at the end of his fists, his technique would be ridiculed.
     
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  15. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great punchers are simply born....as stated earlier here its probably a neuromuscular thing...some great punchers have poor to average leverage, snap etc but still hit like hell..unless born with such you cannot develop a great punch or chin...
     
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