Where does Rid**** Bowe rank as a HW ATG

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Jeez, you really hate Vitali. Fortunately, most people aren't as blind as you. Vitali's resume is way better. His poll numbers are considerably higher than Bowes. He doesn't have a win as good as Bowe's, but unlike Bowe, he was a dominant champ much longer, beating many more high quality opponents. Most importantly, he was the 1st or 2nd best of his era, unlike Bowe, who was 4th.

    Golota? As a good win? No need to comment on that. And as far as Jesse Ferguson, Ferguson was a top journeyman who matched up well with Mercer. Really, that win is less impressive than Vitali's win over Ross Purrity. Purrity was a top journeyman with many more impressive wins than Ferguson.

    Finally, you clearly didn't actually watch the Hide fight. Bowe was very obviously hurt badly by Hide.
     
  2. Ilesey

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    And the flip side to that is you really hate Bowe. I don't use that debate tactic though, im a realist and just post it how it is.

    Saying Vitali's record is better than Bowe's is like saying Povetkin's is better than Frazier's.

    Vitali lost twice against the two best opponents he faced. He literally never beat anybody better than the two guys he lost to.

    Bowe beat the best guys he fought every time. And the prime undefeated holyfield he beat was a far greater foe than the jaded , over weight and out of shape lewis who vitali lost to.

    That alone puts bowe higher than vitali. He came through against better opposition - vitali did not. Bowe passed the greatness test- Vitali failed it.
    You want to award the loser the winners position . it doesn't work like that fanboi.

    Jesse was a top ranked contender , not a journeyman like purity.

    To be a highly ranked contender in a great era automatically makes you far better than a journeyman from the worst era in HW history.

    Thats not what you originally said . You said Bowe was almost knocked out. big difference in getting tagged and getting knocked out.

    holyfield floored and hurt bowe far worse than hide in the rubber match. bowe lifted himself up and proceeded to demolish holyfield to a stoppage.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

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    I'd say at best top 25 but not top 15, probably not even top 20.

    Head to head he'd rank much higher but his resume outside of the Holyfield wins was poor. Too short a reign and overall career and ducked Lewis.
     
  5. Outstock

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    Yet he would have batted lewis one sided had they fought. lewis took the smart route and fought tony tucker for more money
     
  6. andrewa1

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    Fail. Answer's above.
     
  7. Outstock

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    The ike ibeabuchi vs Chris Byrd fight exposed vitali's rudimentary skills something fierce. bowe was clearly one of the most highly skilled operators in the hw divison

    Bowe would've easily beat byrd like Ike did and like he beat Donald and Hide.
     
  8. Outstock

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    Byrd beat tua - tua was better than peter. much better.

    you're hopeless. lost without the map and compass. spazzin out on fangasam.
     
  9. andrewa1

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    What a joke. You're being entirely speculative. The records speak for themselves. Vitali was a dominant champ, beating a whole host of different kinds of contenders and fringe contenders over a long career. Bowe beat one ATG and a few fringe contenders. I'm being generous to Bowe when I rank him within about 15 of Vitali.
     
  10. andrewa1

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    And your a braindead imbecile, incapable of rational consideration when it comes to anything involving Vitali or apparently Bowe.
     
  11. Outstock

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    vitali wasn't a dominant champ in any way shape or form. why you keep repeating that like it means something?

    he was a paper champ who faced a quarter of a useless era of hw's and still managed to lose twice. he avoided , lost to and missed better fighters than he beat. that just a hard cold fact.

    bowe was the undisputed hw champ of the world. achieved by beating greatness in its prime.

    vitlai couldn't beat greatness in its worst form.
     
  12. andrewa1

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    Dude, see a therapist. You have a fixation on trashing Vitali that is unhealthy. His stats speak for themselves. Even this blog, which is fairly unkind to Vitali, completely disagrees with you.
     
  13. Outstock

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    You're down-grading an undisputed atg in favour of a paper champ who failed his one and only litmus test.

    you have a fixation on trashing the sport of boxing. you're going against simple equations.

    if I let go of a hammer , I need not see it fall to know that it has in fact fallen

    You would argue i still hold the hammer in my hand
     
  14. andrewa1

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    No you moron, the real litmus test is thriving as a champ over a long period of time against many comers. Vitali did that. Bowe failed. Most of the voting bloggers see that. You're inability to reason your way out of a box is making you fail to see that.
     
  15. Outstock

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    using that criteria - ottke had a better and greater boxing career than ray Leonard.

    you don't know enough about the mechanics of this sport if you can't see how bowe was on a higher level - both talent wise and resume wise.