Where does Rid**** Bowe rank as a HW ATG

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :huh

    He won a vacant alphabet title from Corrie Sanders, who himself had never done anything of note beyond beating Vitali's brother. Then he defended the title ONE TIME.

    Then he retired.

    He then came back after like 4 years, and had what I consider his most impressive performance when he won the same alphabet title back from Sam Peter, which he then defended 9 times or so, which is nice, but none of those wins were against anyone of particular note.

    But by the time he had come out of retirement, his brother was already established as the top dog and had made greater strides towards unifying.

    Vitali was never undisputed, was never linear, and was never even a unified belt holder. He held an alphabet trinket, whereas Bowe (as has been mentioned) was the undisputed champion of the world who twice beat a prime ATG in Evander Holyfield (and in my eyes, he deserved the nod in all 3 Holy fights, but that's besides the point).

    Bowe beat every man he ever faced. Vitali lost against the 2 best he faced.

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  2. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Dude, you have absolutely no rational capacity or knowledge of the sport. You are totally hopeless. I like Bowe. I'm rational about where he belongs. You are just a crazy K hater. Basically the only posts I ever see you make you just trash the K's using brain dead opinions, devoid of fact, just like this.
     
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  3. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Been drinking too much Rum there, feld. Sanders and Peter were better than Byrd. Vitali's defeats were probably the best losses in history. And a long reign against top contenders. Looks like you and Nobraininstock are in the distinct minority in putting Bowe, a glorified one hit wonder, above a long reigning champ like Vitali.
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

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    That's pure speculation on your part. We'll never know what would have happened as Bowe and his team didn't dare give Lewis anything close to a decent offer and took the stupid route and went on to fight Dokes and Ferguson for a fraction of what he would of made against Lewis.

    Bowe would have been remembered more fondly had he'd taken more risks. Even if he had lost to Lewis he could have asked for a rematch clause, would still have fought Holyfield in rematches and could have easily picked up a title after Lewis lost to McCall and Holyfield lost to Moorer. His overall resume outside of Holyfield is laughable. Hide was probably his next best win and even then he struggled until Hide's chin gave out.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

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    You did not refute a single thing I said.

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  6. andrewa1

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    Actually, I refuted it all, to the extent you had anything that made sense. Fact of the matter is, Bowe's second best opponent he truly beat was Herbie Hide, who nearly ko'd Bowe. Vitali blasted Hide out in 2 rounds, and that was probably barely barely in Vitali's top 10 for wins. Its a joke to say Bowe is in Vitali's league. Its comparable to saying Douglas is better than Holmes because Holmes never beat a non shot ATG
     
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  7. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I sure would like to see the 25 heavyweights better than Bowe. I'm in the mood for a laugh.
     
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  8. Outstock

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    Hide won the first round vs vitali , then mysteriously quit of a punch that clearly did not land.

    bowe fought a better , undefeated version of hide and the guy almost ran out of the ring he was so scared.

    in no realistic scianario is peter better than byrd . the contender bowe beat were all superior to the bottom ranked nobodies vitali fought.
     
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  9. slash

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    fan man saved bowe from a knock out loss.

    bowe is just top-30
     
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  10. Outstock

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    bowe was beating holyfield handily before the fan man crashed through the roof.

    and landed on bowe's pregnant girlfriend which took him away feom the task at hand.. no fan man = bowe 3 -0
     
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  11. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I think people are belittling Bowes resume a bit too much here. This is copied from a thread I just made in the classic forum.

    look at his pre-title run: Cooper, Biggs, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzer, Seldon. Sure, some of these guys were past their best, but this is a rather impressive set of names for a challenger going into a title fight.

    Then he beat Holyfield of course. Defended against Dokes. Sure, an easy defense, but he deserved one after ripping Holyfields title away from him in a war. Nevertheless, Dokes was a good name on a 9 fight winning streak. He was scheduled to fight Ray Mercer, but Jesse Ferguson got in the way of that by outpointing Ray in a dull affair. So Bowe destroyed Ferguson, before fighting Holyfield a second time and losing.

    After losing to Holyfield, Bowe fights Mathis (14-0), Donald (16-0), Hide (26-0) and Gonzalez (23-0), before beating Holyfield in the rubbermatch. Then he fights Andrew Golota (28-0) twice and retires.

    One loss in his career, which was avenged twice.
     
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  12. andrewa1

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    Keep making excuses moron. The best version of Hide was destroyed by Vitali, and nearly ko'd Bowe. Peter was better than Byrd, and Tua. And you know jack all about boxing.
     
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  13. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I would probably give Vitali an edge over Bowe both in terms of resume and head to head, though.
     
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  14. Outstock

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    golota was far , far more skilful than vitali.

    bowe would have creamed vitali like he done gonzlez and coatzer.
     
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    except he never came close to ko'ing bowe. you've clearly failed when lies are your only retreat. and peter was an absolutely pathetic boxer .
     
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