Where does Ruiz rank as a Mexican great

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty self explanatory tbh

    My $0.02

    Mine list is using my usual standards of Résumé and Achievements

    Jose Luis Ramirez


    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Wins over Juan Diaz 2*, Marco Antonio Barrera and imo 2 wins over Manny Pacquiao, Rocky Juarez (see Antonio Barrera section)

    Ruben Olivares
    Wins over Lionel Rose, 2 over Chucho Castillo, Jose Luis Ramirez, Bobby Chacon

    Rafeal Herrera
    2 Wins over Ruben Olivares, a win over Chucho Castillo and 2 over Rodolfo Martinez

    Salvador Sanchez
    Wins over Wilfredo Gomez, Azumah Nelson, Ruben Castillo, Nicky Parez and Danny Lopez 2*

    Erik Morales
    Has wins over Marco Antonio Barrera, Manny Pacquiao, Kevin Kelly, Junior Jones and imo Marcos Maidana

    Marco Antonio Barrera
    Wins over Erik Morales 2*, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, Rocky Juarez 2* and Kevin Kelly

    Julio Cesar Chavez
    90 fight undefeated streak, has wins over Meldrick Taylor 2*, Ruben Castillo, Rodger Mayweather 2*, Jose Luis Ramirez, Alberto Cortez, Angel Hernandez, Hector Camacho, Edwin Rosario and Frankie Randall

    Carlos Zarate
    Wins over Rodolfo Martinez, Danilo Basista and Alfonso Zamora

    Canelo
    Wins over Miguel Cotto, Austin Trout, Shane Mosley, Gennady Golovkin, Danny Jacobs and Amir Khan



    1. Salvador Sanchez
    2. Julio Cesar Chavez
    3. Carlos Zarate
    4. Erik Morales
    5. Juan Manuel Marquez
    6. Rafeal Herrera
    7. Ricardo Lopez
    8. Ruben Olivares
    9. Marco Antonio Barrera
    10. Jose Luis Ramirez

    HMs, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Saul Alvarez,

    He'd definitely make the top 10 if he adds Wilder, Fury, Usyk and Whyte to his résumé
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Obviously nowhere.

    His second best win is the corpse of Dimitrenko.

    Assuming you're talking about Andy Ruiz?
     
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  3. Smokin Bert

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    Not in the top 1000.
     
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  4. PernellSweetPea

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    wow he goes from a joke a few days ago to where would he rank as a Mexican great. Also, he was not born in Mexico, so he cannot be a Mexican great.
     
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  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Probably the GOAT at heavyweight but honestly, that's not saying much

    Outside the top 20 P4P

    Also what's the definition for "Mexican". Andy was born in America. Mexican parents? Or just claiming you're Mexican
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    He's an out-of-shape "natural welterweight" and just bashed up a good 247 pound "super heavyweight", so he's one of the best ever.
     
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Above Mexican Pete Everett.
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Well played.
     
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  9. channy

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    It doesn't matter whilst comparing him to others.

    He is in the books now as the first Mexican heavyweight champion of the world, and I am happy for him.

    In this day and age of egos and who deserves what makes my blood boil, and i absolutely love it when the underdog comes good, he will now go on and earn lots of money so good luck to him and his family.

    Congratulations Andy Ruiz...
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    Why was this moved? It had more to do with the Past than Now
     
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  11. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    I don't know...but what I do know is it couldn't have happened to a better guy, or so it seems.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

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    Is this a joke? I can't tell with you, son.
     
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  13. RingKing75

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    It is crazy that he died at age 23 with that type of resume. Absolute tragedy. Man! What could've been.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    I know, had he fought until 33 he could've been a contender for top 20 pfp
     
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  15. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Well if he had gone on to beat the Chavez` and Whittakers of the era he wouldve been top 10 in my book. Incredibly skilled fighter.
     
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