Where Does Sugar Shane Mosley Rank As An Atg?

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agree

 

i agree but you better not have Ricardo Lopez in your list either.

 

He's not in my top 50 either. His resume is simply too thin. What he has going for him above Shane are skill-level, dominance, and consistency over an entire career. Undefeated+Looking excellent on film makes for a high ranking, just not as high as everyone else seems to put him due to his severe lack of opposition. He's so highly rated because, to be honest, the obscurity of his weight class leaves people no place to judge his opposition(which was, aside from Alvarez, very poor), they more or less are just agreeing with everyone else.

 

i agree some guys have Lopez ridiculously high,yes he looked great and he could do it all but he did it against weak oposition. i dont know if ican even rank him ahead of Mosley,Mosley when he fought Forrest was considered by most to be the best fighter in the world and he looked sensational against everyone up to that point but after that he was never the same.when Lopez fought Alvarez(the best he evr fought)he had a very hard time beating him specially in the first fight,if that fight hadnt been in Mexico i wonder what wouldve happened.
seeing Lopez altough past his best struggling to beat Alvarez i wonder how he would do had he faced tougher competition.

 

I put the Lopez/Alvarez bouts on par with the Mayweather/Castillo bouts, difference is Lopez was past his best. But, Mayweather faced FAR superior opposition on the whole so clearly ranks higher.

I'd like to have seen Lopez against the likes of Chang, Zapata, Gushiken, etc at the lower weights, or even Arbachakov or Canto at Flyweight or thereabouts. We'd have gotten to gauge just how good he really was.

Shane faced similarly weak opposition at LW as Lopez did throughout his career, where both looked their best. When the competition was stepped up, we saw Shane was more or less a middle of the elite pack fighter. The same could've been true of Lopez, we'll never know. It's more his technical skills that get people than anything.

 

thats fair.another thing i agree about you said on another post is that theres so much past fighters with very good records that people dont know about.almost everytime i check a past fighters record i find out about other fighters that he fought that arent well known but also have very good records themselves.
its very hard to make a top 50 or top 100 lists thats for sure.

 

Very true, which is why you'll find the most knowledgable posters on this site(truly the most knowledgable, not the ones who post a lot and have a lot of opinions, like myself) from the Classic Forum like Raging B(_)LL and Mantequilla, who've seen more fighters in action than I even knew about on paper, rarely ever make top 10 or ATG lists, because they realize how futile those attempts would be given all the footage they've watched, the research they've done, etc.

 

Due to steriods he should not be ranked!

 

Lower end of the top 100.

 

He thought they were legal. :rofl

 

Hes my favorite fighter but hes not even arguable for the top 50 or even 60. Id say maybe in the 75-90 range. He has a good resume but compared to the majority of the greats all time its fairly weak.

 

Top20 Lightweight of all time.

Top100 P4P of all time.