Where does the power come from? Guys who you just don''t understand how they hit so h

Sometimes it's the legs, sometimes it's technique, or naturally heavy hands. Maybe a combo of the above.

I really wouldn't put Hagler in there with Tyson, Tua, and Foreman. Not sure about Miranda either.

 

People are still going on about this? Seriously? Good God how many trainers, pro's, and other people affiliated with boxing have to come out and say how meaningless wraps are in regards to punching power?

 

Yeah, maybe so. Miranda is probably one of those guys with so-so technique but raw power and naturally heavy-hands.

I always wondered how scary Foreman would be if he got the leverage from his legs like someone such as Tyson.

 

As far as the Trinidad thing goes you have to keep in mind the handwrapping technique made those wraps almost like a cast. Very, very hard. When you wrap tape (which has glue on it) with gauze mixed and then soak them in water it melds it together. Casts are made from gauze and tape and an adhesive which like glue, becomes very durable once the air hits it. Unlike if you just wrapped your hands with gauze. The gauze will shift without the tape but with the tape it all holds together. Hence, like a cast.

The Hopkins camp had a legitimate gripe and made sure the NYSAC was watching. And sure enough, it turned out to be legitimate.


For the OP I'd say that overall what matters on a punch is the snap. Your posture is also very important. A good right hand for example will be a punch that goes through the target and snaps on the end (your elbow locks). Musclebound guys can't usually get full extension on their punches so their punches don't have the snap. And they lose alot of effectiveness that way.

 

It's no wonder Miranda gets power on his punches when he winds those mother****ers up from somewhere in another postal code

Sure he's powerful, but its not like its effortless, he has to swing like he's knocking a wall down with a sledgehammer half the time, and he gasses by about round 5 to prove the point.

 

Good question... In the Trinidad case I believe his power came from his feet (a reason why he wasn't the quickest in his foot work) and the way he threw the pounches that came from his shoulders and back strenght.

 

I'll be honest with you... I've always being very skeptical about B-Hops camp alegations in this case... I mean... By that fight Trinidad was doing his 41 professional fight, the question I ask myself is, are you asking me to believe that during the previous 40 fights were his oponents camps were as well looking at the same wrap plus the different commissions were Trinidad fought (Las Vegas, New York, etc etc) were witnessing and aproving the same wraps and never said anything... Are we supposed to just believe one camp when the other ones, including the commissions never said and actually approved them??? I don't know... I was not in that locker room that night looking at what they were watching but since day 1 I've been skeptical about those alegations.

 

Well the thing is most times this sort of thing gets pushed under the rug. One of those don't ask don't tell things. Obviously nobody is gonna say anything if it's working in their favor. Hopkins however is anti-establishment. He doesn't care whose apple cart he knocks over. That's why he and Don King never got along.

Believe it or not most fights are won before the opening bell rings. Little contract stipulations, location, chosen officials and committee make a huge difference in the fight. Tito spent his whole career fighting under the DKP banner and you know if anybody can make a conspiracy disappear it's Don.

Also remember how RJJ tested positive for steroids against Richard Hall? That never made big news but it damn well should have. Alot of times these sort of things just don't get the attention they deserve. And so it goes unnoticed, until that one guy who doesn't give a **** whose toes he steps on comes along, like Hopkins.

 

If we accept what you are saying which I'll give you a chance of a posibility because I do think that Don is and will always be a manipulator we also have to agree that other fighter camps and comissions were all involved in this.... Think... ODLH, Sweet Pea, Vargas, etc. etc. We are talking about HUGE fights, fighters that were undefeated, etc... I don't know man... :huh :huh

I don't believe in DK but I also don't believe in BHop becasue he too is a dirty player... Anyway, everyone has the right to believe whatever they want.

 

Yea but look at it like this. You work your ass off for a fight to come along and your trainer also needs to get paid. Months down the line the fight comes up and you notice something funny about how the other camp is wrapping hands. They won't change it and for you to fight it means you might not get the fight you just worked all this time for.

Most guys would just go ahead and fight anyways with the fight minutes away. Hopkins wouldn't. He and his camp made that perfectly clear that they would turn around and go home if he didn't rewrap those hands.

 

hopkins is a diva..but a top quality fighter also.

it's only hopkins' age that changes the mindset - i doubt very much he'd have made those demands 15 years ago.

 

Naw believe it. Hopkins has been that way forever. That's why he never got along with Don King all those years. He just wouldn't take a fight if he felt he was being slighted. That's also why he didn't take the 60/40 deal from Jones. Hopkins has always been that way. Very staunch operator when it comes to following principle.