Where Does Today's Loaded Welterweight Divisions Rank With The ATG Divisions?

I don't think ww is as strong as lw now if you include Pacquiao as a lw. And you may as well considering you've included Williams and Mayweather as ww's when one is now a lmw and one is long gone.

Do you walkwithme think that this division is as strong as 10-15 years ago with Whitaker, Oscar, Tito, Quartey, Carr, Campas, and later Mosley?

 

I would say that this WW division is number 3 all time. Number 1 would be 1989 - 1999 era. Then probably the Hearns Leonard era of the late 70's - mid 80's. As for number 3 and 4 its a toss up between the 1940 - 1955 era and todays era. I may give an edge to todays era because without Ray Robinson the 40's era would only be half of what it was.

 

Antonio Margarito
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Andre Berto
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey
Paul Williams
Zab Judah
Floyd Mayweather
Kermit Cintron

I'd say it's the third best welterweight division of all times:

1. Late 70s (Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, etc.)
2. Late 90s (Whitaker, De la Hoya, Tito, Forrest, Mosley, Quartey, Carr, etc)
3. Today

 

Not even Top10.

 

It's still too early to tell. In hindsight the welterweight from the nineties will be just as invincible as the one in the 70's. The fighters now are too vulnerable because they are active today and hindsight is 20/20. But I prefer the nineties to today just cuz I like Tito's and Hoya's boxer/puncher style better.
Ray Leonard by himself would cut through both the nineties welters and todays welters.

 

I won't rank them, but I think these divisions (and there are some others) are better:

a. Late 70s welterweights (Leonard, Hearns, Benitez, Duran, Cuevas, etc.)

b. Late 90s welterweights (ODLH, Trinidad, Whitaker, Quartey, Forrest, Mosley)

c. 90s heavyweights (Lewis, Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield, Mercer, Golota, Morrison, Tua, Ruddock, Foreman, Moorer, etc)

d. 70s heavyweights (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Quarry, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, etc)

e. Early 80s light heavyweights (Spinks, Qawi, Mustafa Muhammad, Sutherland, Conteh, Marvin Johnson, etc.)

f. 70s middleweights (Monzon, Valdez, Benvenuti, Briscoe, Minter, Napoles, young Hagler, Antuofermo, Colbert, etc)

g. 40s middleweights (LaMotta, Marshall, Janiro, Dauthille, Cocoa Kid, Holman Williams, Charley Burley, Jack Chase, Aaron Wade, Sugar Ray Robinson, Fritzie Zivic)

h. 40s lightweight division (Ike Williams, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Sammy Angott, Juan Zurita, etc)

i. Early 60s heavyweight division (Liston, Ali, Cleveland Williams, Patterson, Zora Folley, Eddie Machen, Ernie Terrell, Chuvalo, etc)

j. 30s welterweight division (Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, Jimmy McLarnin, Ceferino Garcia, Billy Petrolle, Jack Carroll, Fritzie Zivic, etc)

 

Not one of the guys you mentioned would be a champion or even a serious contender (given the stage of their careers at the moment) in most welterweight divisions of the past.

There's a good spread of decent fighters, but not one of them inspires me to consider them in anyway special.

 

3rd best of alltime??

I would most defintely have the Griffith-Cokes-Rodriguez-Napoles era of the mid the late sixties over it. You also had blokes like Moyer, M. Gonzalez, Ralph Dupas, Ortega and several other top contenders floating around.

Cant possible be stronger then the Ross-Mclarin-Armstrong-Zivic-Garcia-Bummy Davis-Burley era of the mid-late 30's to early 40's. Even Sugar Ray was beating some contenders by then.

Not to mention the Robinson-Gavilan-Abrams-Graham-Basilio period of the late 40's into the 50's era.

 

Exactly.