Where does Tony Zale rank among the all-time middleweights ?

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hah, yeah, seems that way.

    Funny how they injured the same bodypart and everything
     
  2. Sonny's jab

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    Cerdan was in the ring with Jake "Raging Bull" LaMotta, a vicious fighter who matched him for size and strength.

    Vitali was in the ring with Chris Byrd, more of a sparrow than an eagle.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Vitali was a fighter who was plagued with injuries for a good portion of his life. Cerdan was not.

    Not to mention on top of a boxing career he fought in a potentially even more damaging sport in kickboxing.

    And that "sparrow" clearly hurt both Ike and Tua with bodyshots.
     
  4. Sonny's jab

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    Well, I'm just saying why people might be criticizing Vitali. I dont really care whether he quit or not.

    As far as I could tell Byrd wasn't hurting him, and Vitali was ahead on points, AND Byrd IS much smaller and weaker than Vitali. These are the facts that might contribute to some people's negative assessment of Vitali's surrender.
    It's different circumstances to Cerdan, so I dont think the Vitali critics would be inconsistent to forgive Cerdan. Those differences that I've mentioned. Make up your own mind.

    Liston caught a ton of flak for quitting with a shoulder injury too. So it's not just Vitali. Then again, Liston was slightly behind on points against a big, fast, very good heavyweight, and many people will tell you he couldn't have won that night.
    Liston catches it for quitting, so why shouldn't Vitali ?

    (As a sidenote, I saw Danny Williams win a fight with his shoulder completely dislocated, the arm hanging down 6 inches further than normal, completely useless. That got my respect, no question.)
     
  5. Russell

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    Danny Williams seems to ENJOY being hurt and beaten on, if the Tyson/Vitali fights were any indication.
     
  6. Sonny's jab

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    He has tons of heart. A mediocre fighter who wasted most of what talent he had, a fat plodder (very sad seeing him lose to Audley Harrison). But you cant question his heart and willingness to absorb punishment. Tons of heart.
     
  7. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I give Cerdan credit for that victory over Zale as well...that was a fantastic performance. All i know of the Cerdan/LaMotta footage is about a 4 minute clip.
     
  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have highlights of that bout. Runs about 6 or so mins.
     
  9. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have highlights of that bout. Runs about 6 or so mins. The Cerdan LaMotta fight.
     
  10. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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