Where does Usyk rank P4P now after the Joshua victory?

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  1. Sooncreate3

    Sooncreate3 Member Full Member

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    After this win, in my opinion, Usyk becomes the first person since Holyfield to unify both cruiserweight and heavyweight titles and became a Hall of Famer today. I rank Usyk P4P number 2 behind Canelo Alvarez (and above guys like Crawford and Inoue due to a victory of one of the best guys of the weight class) but I believe it's possible that Usyk can become P4P #1 if Plant upsets Alvarez. Thoughts?
     
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  2. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    Numero Uno , he's displaced the ambassador of clen sport from his position.
     
  3. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Second for me. Very strong case for #1!
     
  4. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    is Canelo
     
  5. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Plant has already lost the fight, it happened at the press conference.
     
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Its not just Canelo and Inoue who are above the rest now!
     
  9. Sooncreate3

    Sooncreate3 Member Full Member

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    I agree with Rakesh. I definitely have no argument with putting Usyk as P4P #1 as he just cemented his Hall of Fame legacy. For P4P #1, I am between Usyk and Canelo for that one.
     
  10. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    #1

    To beat a well established champion with that kind of ease, despite a 4" deficit in reach, despite lacking the power to KO him and despite being arguably the wrong side of his prime speed and reflexes... That's a damn special achievement on its own.

    Then you remember this is the same guy that unified cruiser and usually fights away from home and is usually ahead on the official cards despite this whether he wins by KO or not.

    He's way, way up there.
     
  11. McGrain

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    One.

    Can't really see the contrary argument. CW to HW is the hardest jump in the modern era.
     
  12. BubblesUK

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    I prefer Usyk's resume, and his disregard for whether the other guy is a bit heavier than him on fight night... But there could certainly be arguments made either way.
     
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  13. Big Ukrainian

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  14. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    If there are any arguments about P4P now then it will be from the deluded.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    #1 for sure.

    From another thread

    Olympic gold (was robbed in the 2008 Olympics and would've gone onto to win gold in them in my educated opinion had he not been
    World Amateur gold & bronze medalist
    European gold & bronze medalist

    Won all those gold medals on the road

    Whooped 3 x world amateur gold medalists and future Olympic silver (robbed of gold) medalist in the WSB up at SHW

    WBC cruiserweight champion
    WBA cruiserweight champion
    IBF cruiserweight champion
    WBO cruiserweight champion
    WBA heavyweight champion
    IBF heavyweight champion
    WBO heavyweight champion

    Unified the CW division in just 15 fights

    Is a two weight world champion in 19 fights

    Undisputed at CW and three-belt unified king at HW in just 19 fights all of which he didn't just do on the road he did it in his opponent's backyards

    Ring Magazine champion
    Ranked #5 P4P by The Ring Magazine
    Winner of the Muhammad Ali trophy
    Olympic gold medalist (would've been a 2 x gold medalist IMO had he not been robbed in Beijing), World Amateur gold & bronze medalist, European gold & bronze medalist

    In just 19 fights Usyk has already beaten six world champions, four of whom were reigning world champions


    Beat

    WBA, IBF and WBO champ AJ (24-1) in England
    WBA and IBF champ Gassiev (26-0) in Russia
    Beat WBC champ Briedis (23-0) in Latvia
    Beat WBO champ Glowacki (26-0) in Poland
    Beat former long reigning WBO champ Huck (40-4-1) in Germany
    Beat former WBC champ Bellew (30-2-1) in the UK
    Beat the streaking Michael Hunter (12-0) in the US
    Beat Mchunu (17-2) on neutral soil
    Beat Chisora (32-9) in England

    All of those guys are serious bangers sans the super slick and awkward Mchunu who can crack a little bit himself when he wants to and Gassiev, AJ, and Briedis are three of the biggest punchers in the sport and not once was he even really hurt let alone hit the canvas. Name one other current fighter who has fought that many legit punchers and savage punching KO artists in their last 10 fights, let alone in their opponent's backyard the vast majority of them were world champions, only one not being world class, many were undefeated, who have not hit the canvas or been hurt by them?


    Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year (2018)
    ESPN Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year (2018)
    CBS Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Boxing News Fighter of the Year (2018)

    Usyk won all his world titles in his opponent's backyards, defended them in his opponent's backyards, unified them in his opponent's backyards and and he has had a grand total of one official from his homeland for all those fights, a judge tonight.

    Very athletic, highly skilled, has speed of both hand and foot, high ring IQ, great footwork and punch variety, extremely smooth and fluid in his movement for a big man and just a supremely talented boxer with beautiful skills. He's also very humble and has an immensely likeable personality, a gent and a scholar both in and out of the ring, bags of charisma, and he is an utterly fearless road warrior who relies on clean boxing to win fights and zero deck-stacking and dice loading and on top of all that he's as funny as hell. No catchweights, judges in his pocket, rehydration clauses, PEDs. No stacked deck at all. Actually he does fight on a stacked deck - one which is stacked against him and he does it religiously.

    He just whooped the three-belt unified HW king in his backyard in hostile territory in front of close to 70,000 fans virtually all of whom sans a small bunch of Ukrainians were rooting for AJ. And he was giving away huge advantages in weight, natural size, reach, height, power, strength, youth and had been very inactive only having fought twice in three years, one of which wasn't even a fight because Witherspoon only showed up to shell up and survive, and had only fought once in 11 months. He only had 2 official fights at HW before dethroning the unified king in their backyard.

    And on top of that two of his previous three opponents are very good friends of AJ's (Bellew and Chisora) and they were feeding him loads of intel and sharing all the data they downloaded about Usyk both during months of preparation to face him and what they learned in the ring against him and Usyk even invited AJ's cheif sparring partner and ''best buddy'' (according to Bakole) Martin Bakole to spar him for three or four weeks to help him prepare for AJ. When I say the deck couldn't have been anymore stacked against Usyk it's not hyperbole. It really couldn't.

    Currently ranked #4 P4P by The Ring but he has to shoot up to #1 now


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