Where does Wladimir Klitschko rank among ATG HWs?

The "White Tyson.":roflatsch

 

chagaev wouldnt out point brewster??

 

Brester coming off a loss, long break and eye surgery. Legally blind in one eye and you are counting that?:roflatsch

The fact is Wlad has beaten no one. Ever. His best win is Chris Byrd.

Yes Chris Byrd, a natural super-middleweight who walked Vitali down and made him quit.... oh but wait, Joe Frazier was only 210lbs so couldn't possibly beat either Klit right?

 

byrd who beat holyfield???am atg holyfield..and im not even argueing with you about vitali byrd.because you havnt a clue...wlad is going to make it into the top 15 atgs and you hate it..this makes me happy..not for wlad but just that it anoys haters like you who hate for other reasons other than boxing...oh and stop making things up son

 

He demolished Brewster two or three years later.

What about Byrd? One of the best heavyweights of the last decade, maybe the best after Lewis and the Klitschkos.

Then you have a list of solid contenders: Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chambers. Also Peter and Rahman, a former lineal champion. And David Haye, a pretty good heavyweight contender and ATG Cruiserweight. (Don't tell me the Haye win doesn't count. One of Joe Louis' best wins, and his toughest fight, was against Billy Conn.)

 

WTF?!?

Brewster was coming off of EYE SURGERY and a *one year layoff*.

I swear that you Klitschko nut gulpers are a special breed...

 

That fight was nearly *10* years ago. Exactly WHO has he beaten since?

 

Lol...

 

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Thank you. Have you noticed than when reason fails, labeling the opponents with opposing views as nutthuggers seems to do the trick for the posters on esb?

 

That's easy! By following the rules of the Klitschko haters (You must beat an ATG to become an ATG) Wladimir has beaten ATG Rahman, ATG Byrd, ATG Ibragimov (He beat ATG Holyfield). Now if we go back before Byrd, Wladimir has beaten ATG Eliseo Castillo (He beat ATG Michael Moorer), ATG Axel Schulz, ATG Ray Mercer, ATG Everett Martin (He beat ATG Tim Witherspoon) and ATG Danell Nicholson (He beat ATG John Ruiz).......

 

Prime Foreman would KO Wlad. Would lose UD to Vitali.

Bowe couldn't beat Golota (twice), and Golota was NEVER on Klitschko's level. That plus his refusal to fight Lennox speak volumes of his character and belief in his own ability.

Holyfield...who knows. Honestly, I have no idea. Holy was an incredible specimen, and his will and determination had no rival. But ultimately, the difference in size and punching power should have done the trick for the K-bros. As long as they didn't try to get a Ko, they should win.

Prime Tyson would probably be a nightmare for Wlad, but not as much of a theat to Vitali. And yet I still would favor both of them against Tyson, for I was a fan of Tyson's and he never fought such huge men with such skill level. Plus I firmly believe Tyson was unable to beat those he did not intimidate, and Vitali is one intimidating mofo.

Vitali would have a lot of trouble against: Lennox, Ali, Haye, Toney (prime, if such thing even exists, a prime Toney), i.e either Huge men with extremely heavy punch and a TON of experience, or slick slippery guys with perfect balance and quality defence. Just plain old "Go forward, punch hard" style wouldn't be as good against him, as he is an excelent counter-puncher and his timing is defintly ATG.

Wlad would have problems with anyone with great chin, hard punch and lack of fear, that is good on his feet. You can't get to Wlad without being hit, and that is why Haye failed. Despite being faster, he was unwilling to commit to exchanges, knowing his chin would fail sooner that Klitschko's.

Young Ali was really good on his feet, but post the jail time Ali, when he had his epic battles, lost his amazing foot movement. Tyson would be a nightmare for Wlad with his defence and solid chin, but it's still a toss-up for me. Foreman would be an unsolvable problem for Wlad (young version of Foreman). Liston and Bowe would be a great matchup as well.

My top 5 argument is, if you rank a fighter 5th, you should have 4 guys that could beat him. Vitali I can only see 2 guys comfortably beating him, both on points/cuts. Wlad I see 4 people. Therefore, I placed both in top 5. It's easy to overlook their skill level and their power, for whatever reasons, be it that they are white (eastern euros), not from america/britain etc, or that they are considered the "beaters of the bums". But for the last 8 years they held the division in a lock, and made ALL other fighters look like bums. Face it, there isn't anyone in the division now or for the last 8 years that would be favored against either brother. Ali beat up a TON of tomato cans. Tyson's whole career was richly peppered with nobodies, while Don King skillfully navigated him towards collecting all the titles. Klitschkos had to fight so much adversity, both from promoters and their own shaky losses, and yet they came out on top. Had they signed with Don King, they would have unified 6 years ago, but they haven't, and now wanna-be boxing experts label unworthy of their hard-earned spot under the sun.

 

I still maintain to this day that the fight with Brewster was a freak incident/poisoning. I am not saying he was in fact poisoned by the opposing camp, which is however extremely likely if you account for the fact that the bets on Brewster skyrocketed the last hour before the fight. But it is possible that some sort of poisoning did take place, possibly even from Klitschko's camp.

I think all pro boxers take steroids and with a new trainer, they could have misscalculated the dose or messed up some supplement order or what not, resulting in massive failure and spiking sugar levels.

Point is, Brewster was getting DESTROYED untill Wlad finally collapsed. I saw the fight a total of 5 times and not once did Brester hit Wlad with ANYTHING that would warrant such a reaction.


And since you clearly can't read, I will repeat it again:

If Klitschkos were just big guys, it wouldn't be such a big issue. But they big guys with skill, power punching, stamina and discipline, not to mention a LOT of boxing experience. Who knows, if Shaq did boxing since he was 10, maybe he Would in fact be a threat to Klitschkos.

 

Please dissregard my previous replies to your posts, I thought you actually knew what you were talking about, but aparently you're just a troll.