Where does Wladimir Klitschko rank among ATG HWs?

so brewster and sanders and purrity are better than.iggy.chagaev.thompson.haye.thompson.byrd.mercer,peter ect ect..going by your logic of course

 

whats worse losing when your still learning or losing when your slightly past it...??

 

I'd put him between 6 and 10.

 

You're joining the Klitschko brothers into one entity.

Assuming Povetkin starts slapping the **** out of his opponents, beats a load of contenders and then smashes Vitali, he'll be considered either 'very good' or 'great' win for Wlad.

 

11-15.

Depends on the good names he can add to the resume. His losses will balance out since he will not ahve the same back end losses as most greats.

 

how many years? lol. at the time of losing to Sanders, Wladimir was 27 years old, having made 6 title defences! yet you wlad lickers think he was still ''green'' or fighting tomato cans . also he was 7 years into his pro career. and no he wasnt fighting tits every month. YOU FAIL

Tyson lost to Douglas. thats bad. yet wladimir lost to PURITY, SANDERS, BREWESTER. losing to one douglas is not worse than losing to those 3.
Planet Klitschko: Where being 40-1 and six title defences is green. the fact that at that point he was still ''learning the game'' as you put it is not a positive for wladimir! i love how you dismiss a loss because he was ''learning the game''. your funny if you think the Brewester and Sanders losses dont count against him

at 40-1 with 6 title defences at 27 years old, if your still fighting like an IDIOT with ZERO defence should count AGAINST you when being ranked atg. I excuse the Purity loss. but the other 2 should count against him. i didnt say he was PRIME in those losses. but he was seasoned enough for those 2 losses to be a big black mark on his resume. dismissing it like you are is nuthuggery of the highest order

 

Please stop doing these Wlad posts just after i recently agreed with Jack about something else a few days ago in a previous topic.
Makes me look even worse.

 

I think I've been fair in this thread. Greatness isn't given to fighters, it has to be earned. In his career so far, Wlad has not earned greatness. If people are genuinely going to argue that he should be ranked above ATG fighters, they need to be a very, very tight case and there simply isn't one to be made. That's why Klitschko fans rely on hypothetical head to head match ups so heavily because they know the facts aren't enough.

There isn't a single argument for Wlad to be ranked over a fighter like Wills. None. Wills isn't a top 10 heavyweight either.

 

He's #2 with The Immortal Corrie Sanders at #1

 

geezo where to starrt...with regards to tyson.he lost to douglas and the only DECENT fighter he fought after that before evander was bruno hence why i said he was always matched well try reading my post you maniac....27 years old and was a pro for only 6 and abit years and 6 titles defences of a ****ing wbo title dosnt mean **** next youl be telling me wlad was the unified heavyweight champion when he beat sam peter the 1st time ya tit..sanders and brewster loses do count of course they do so does purrity..they are all called learning curves my friend i mean if you cant see it then i dont know what your on..i mean if you deciede to give up every physical advantage you have to slugg with sanders your either a ****ing moron or you just didnt do your homework (and no homework means what??)....he punched himself out against brewster as we all seen and you dont think punching yourself out against someone at that stage of his carrer is greenish???**** off into the night with your hate fella theres just no need for it..give the man props he deserves it regardless of him being a white eastern european..and by the way he racked up his big resume by fighting nearly once every month at the start of his carrer so yes he was knocking out tits for fun at the start of it hence the purrity loss..purrity was his 14th or so fight in 12 or 13 months ffs

 

so basicly you have to beat a klit to be great..but they arnt great (as you say)so therefore povotkin wont have beatin anyone great so therefore cant be great himself...food for thought jackie

 

Right now I think Wlad Klitschko is #9 heavyweight of all time.

 

**** sake have you ever heard of PARAGRAPHS?!

im giving wlad respect! a top 20 ATG is MASSIVE MASSIVE respect! i dont see in what world, not being in the top 15 is an insult.

Yes the Sanders, Brewster and Purity losses were all learning curves. but nearly every other atg doesnt have to get ktfo 3 times before they learn their lesson! THAT counts against him imo and thats one reason i dont have him in my top 15.

also stfu with white european bull****. i dont give a crap what colour he is, nor does it bias my views in any way shape or form. i hate that defensive **** you klit fans pull in every argument. im not even black! for all you know i could be white myself!

this thread is asking where in ATG list you have wlad. i have him 20-25 atm with potential to break into the top 15. now a top 15 ALl TIME HEAVYWEIGHT is a tremendous honour. an extremely exclusive list. not being in that top 15 at this point is meant as no disrespect to wladimir. thats what you need to understand

 

I went 26-35. For the record I'd have Vitali in 20-25.