Where does Wladimir Klitschko rank among ATG HWs?

11-15 is about right for him

 

when he retires in a few years with a few more average wins i say top 20, behind lewis for sure

 

Best that can be said is;
The Klitschos are the best Roid'ed HWs of this sorry ass era.
The current HW division is in as bad shape as Europe's economy.

 

I'm not bothered by anything Wlad does. He's a good fighter, a nice guy and he's made a good legacy for himself.

I do, however, have an issue with his idiotic fans.

 

Laughable. I know you're biased towards Vitali, so where does he rank?

Neither are in the top 20 yet.

 

Dixiecrats (Reaganites) fukked up American boxing, by stupidity.

 

Thanks buddy :good Anything for you mate :yep

 

Johnson was an extremely good fighter and despite having all the world against him, he became heavyweight champion. He was also the 'coloured heavyweight champion' and in his career, beat several great fighters. The only people he didn't beat, were those who wouldn't fight him because of racial bigotry. However, he beat Langford, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, he should have beaten O'Brien, he also beats Burns and Ketchel before losing to Willard, at which point he was well past his best and had a plethora of other problems.

Johnson fits the criteria I mentioned earlier. He dominated a division and he beat great fighters. He had losses before and after his peak, yeah, but he achieved great things. Wlad has not.

 

well not in order, fighters who i think would beat W Klitschko

Ali-Tyson-Lewis-Holy-Foreman-Frazier-Holmes-Liston

Now Heavyweight History isnt my specialty but taking into consideration some big punchers id say he be at the very worst top 15

Prime Vitali would be a little higher, Above Holyfield and Liston. Top 10 definite.

Id be tempted to put him above lewis but then id be getting the "LEWIS TKO6 VITALI" crap again

 

14 people think he was best ever? h2h he looses a lot and he aint got a resume. fighting mormek is a joke

 

No, all those things do apply to Wlad and I've never said otherwise. However, I also mentioned something else which doesn't apply to Wlad. Johnson beat great fighters! Wlad hasn't.

Now, I know you can say it's not Wlad's fault and, you're right, it isn't Wlad's fault. However, we have to rate fighters on what they've done, not what they could do in a stronger era.

Spinks would outbox Haye.

His ability is besides the point. Johnson fought in an era when you had enormously long fighters, smaller gloves and things like that, so their style had to reflect those changes. Johnson was still a great fighter though. Would he be now? If he trained to fight with a modern style, yes.

That's besides the point though. Greatness isn't judged by a hypothetical argument, it's about what fighters actually do to be considered great. I could say that George Chuvalo would knock out both Klitschkos but that doesn't mean he should be rated higher than them.

 

You're talking about brothers. If you want to know why they won't be rated highly, everything you just said is the reason why.

 

I already did. I know you'll look at each name and say "old, small, shot" etc., but the fact is, Johnson beat fighters unanimously regarded as great. Wlad hasn't.

 

That's your choice. You can Wlad first, Vitali second and their uncle third, if you want.

However, history will rate Johnson as the better fighter.

 

Better because he beat great fighters whereas Wlad hasn't.