Where does Wladimir Klitschko rank among ATG HWs?

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  1. Jack

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    I like how you think pictures make your argument solid :lol:

    What next, Fitzsimmons in his nappy?
     
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    Johnson is only good for his time, not compared to modern hws. If you base your opinion on what you read about him he sounds amazing. A great defensive technician, a huge man with immense power.
    Now if you actually watch footage of him, you'll see that view of him is out of date. All you see is a small heavyweight pawing at his opponent and swinging from his waist against boxers often weighing as little as 170 or 160 pounds.
    A great defense back then was considered to be just someone who moved out of the way of punches and clinched, because that was new back then.
     
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  3. Nay_Sayer

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    That sounds reasonable to me. IIRC, Ike gave a prime Tua his first loss...
     
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  4. Joe_MacKenzie

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    Ibeabuchi couldn't KO Tua, but Felix Savon did.

    Ike is a nice fantasy for Klitschko haters, but in reality he was on the same level as Sam Peter.
     
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  5. Nay_Sayer

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    That crackhead also just happens to be Mike Tyson's sparring partner, who knocked Mike down in sparring, and also owns a win over Larry Holmes.

    Exactly WHO has Wlad ever beat?
     
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  6. Nay_Sayer

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    :deal
     
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    :deal
     
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  8. Joe_MacKenzie

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    Knocking down Mike Tyson in sparring doesn't mean much, didn't you see Danny Williams and Buster Douglas knock down Tyson in real fights?

    That was a very faded age 46 Larry Holmes that McCall has a win over. Brian Neilsen also has a win over that version of Holmes. Mike Tyson was a lot younger when he lost to Kevin McBride than Holmes was when he lost to McCall.

    I've already answered that question in this thread. How did you miss it?
     
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  9. Nay_Sayer

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    George Foreman has KO wins over Frazier, Norton, Cooney, and a prime Moorer.

    Exactly WHO has Wlad ever beat?
     
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  10. Nay_Sayer

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    I would argue that Wlad is still a paper champion and the true HW title is vacant. A match between Wlad and Vitali would fill this vacancy, IMO.

    I hope the Vitali Haye fight gets made and that Haye retires Vitali. That way, Wlad and Haye can rematch then we'll finally get a true HW champion after nearly a decade of Klitschko paper title defences...
     
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  11. Joe_MacKenzie

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    I've already answered that question. Do you have a reading disability?

    Moorer was beaten by Eliseo Castillo, :oops: who was KOed in his very next fight by Wladimir. He also should have a loss to Axel Shultz, who was also KOed for the first time in his career by Wlad.
     
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  12. Nay_Sayer

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    Stop smoking crack.

    First and foremost, Tua's losses as an amature have absolute **** to do with his pro careeer.

    Second, Ike's victories over Byrd and Tua are collectively head and shoulders above ANYTHING either Klit has managed to do.
     
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  13. Joe_MacKenzie

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    :rofl Either Klitschko vs. Tua would be an absolute mismatch, then or now. Tua would be beaten down and stopped.

    Look what old Monte Barrett did to Tua, who by the way is younger than Vitali.

    Byrd was KOed by Ibeabuchi only because he fought aggressively, if he had been defense-first like he was against the Klitschkos in the two fights in 2000 he would have won by decision.

    Let's not forget, Byrd schooled Tua when using his defense-first style.
     
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  14. Alien

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    Quitali lost to Maskaev in the amateurs. Big deal.
     
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  15. Alien

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    :lol::rofl:patsch Chris Byrd walked Vitali down you absolute ****ing imbecile. Go watch the fight again.
     
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