Where exactly do you rank Canelo P4P?

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  1. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    Based on his last 6 fights Canelo is light years behind Usyk, Crawford and Inoue. In none of these fights he looked even remotely impressive while fighting inferior or shot opponents post-Bivol.

    So, he is clearly far behind Usyk, Crawford and Inoue. There also no argument can be made for him to be ranked ahead of Bivol who beat him easily. But who else should be ranked above him P4P? I'd go with Beterbiev and Bam Rodriguez for sure. So Canelo is #7 P4P at best currently
     
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  2. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    I´d rank Usyk, Crawford, Inoue, Bivol and Beterbiev above him.
    Bam is on a good run, but hes mainly beaten old, past prime guys. Regardless, anywhere from 5 to 8 would be OK and reasonable in my book.
     
  3. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    It'd be hard to argue against Crawford not being number 1, I think Canelo is either 2 or 3, a toss up between Usyk and himself taking the number 2 spot.

    I think Canelo, considering he's 5 foot 7 and started his career at 147 pounds, is really a 160 pound fighter. Even at 160 pounds he wasn't considered to be a big middleweight. Everything he achieves at 168 and above is an over achievement in my opinion.
     
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  4. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk beat far superior opposition in the last 5 fights and did it more impressively being smaller man in each and every of these fights while Canelo beat guys who moved up 1 or 2 class and C-level fighters. Inoue also beat better opponents and did it far more impressively. And how you can rank Canelo over Bivol if Bivol beat him up and Canelo didn't get a single significant win after that loss?
     
  5. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    I think it’s a toss up between Canelo and Usyk for number 2 spot. As you said, Usyk has fought the better opposition but I do like what Canelo is doing at 168, he’s looking pretty unbeatable and he was a small 160 pounder.

    Regarding Usyk’s recent victories, I thought Fury won by one round and I thought Dubois landed a legal body shot on the belt that should have given Dubois the victory, so for me there are a few asterisk’s there on Usyk’s recent wins. His victories over Joshua were excellent.

    The Bivol loss in my opinion was simply a case of a bridge too far. The loss was more due to Bivol being too big, too tall and too rangy more so than Bivol being a better fighter from a pound for pound sense. Canelo’s punches had virtually no affect due to the size difference, he couldn’t keep Bivol honest and Bivol just walked straight through the punches to outland Canelo.

    Its like if Mayweather jumped up to fight GGG and lost, you’d still say Mayweather is better from a pound for pound perspective.
     
  6. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fun fact

    Canelo is now 1 year younger than GGG when they first fought.

    Imagine what a 29 year old GGG would do to a 35 year old Canelo
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    The top 3 are locked in as Usyk, Inoue and Crawford.

    I feel like 4 and 5 are locked in as Beterbiev and Bivol.

    But Canelo is definitely top ten, so somewhere from 6-10 with the like of Bam, Loma, Tank, Nakatani, Lopez, Haney (eugh)
     
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  8. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    4th for me. The Bivol vs Beterbiev winner will pass Canelo when that happens but for now 4th.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Usyk
    Inoue
    Crawford
    Beterbiev
    Bivol
    Bam
    Canelo
    Loma
    Tank
    Nakatani
     
  10. tragedy

    tragedy Active Member Full Member

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    Cope. Bivol is smaller than Berlanga and Canelo's punches had no effect because he couldn't land any in the first place.
     
  11. Lecowas

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    Bivol offered to rematch canelo at 168 for all the belts but Canelo declined. How in the world would someone rank him with Usyk who has beaten guys 50lbs heavier than him.

    Usyk has beaten Berbertiev and all the top names. Don't you think usyk will school canelo better than Mayweather did if they were thesame weight?
     
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  12. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    He's not light years behind. Nonsense.
     
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  13. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Number 4, will be number 5 after the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev is decided.
     
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  14. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    He’s number 4 behind Usyk, Inoue and Crawford. Bivol beat him easily but that’s expected due to the size difference, besides a Canelo win wtf else has Bivol done? Once he beats Beterbiev that’s different but as of now, Canelo is clearly above those two.
     
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  15. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Yes bottom of the top ten.

    Come on now...Haney is no top 10 boxer. The rest surely belong.
     
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