Where is Aaron Pryor in your all time greats list?

more like top 50

 

Might sneak in at the tail of the 50, not sure.

 

top 25

 

As a guess I'd say around 39-44.

 

This is what my list looks like today, though it has been altered numberless times and will probably continue to be altered the more I learn/forget about boxing.



1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Benny Leonard
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Archie Moore
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Joe Gans
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Carlos Monzon
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Jimmy Wilde
18. Eder Jofre
19. Joe Louis
20. Gene Tunney
21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Barney Ross
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Jose Napoles
25. Ike Williams
26. Salvador Sanchez
27. Emile Griffith
28. Mickey Walker
29. Alexis Arguello
30. Fighting Harada
31. Thomas Hearns
32. Roy Jones Jr.
33. Jim Driscoll
34. Kid Gavilan
35. Carlos Ortiz
36. Michael Spinks
37. Larry Holmes
38. Evander Holyfied
39. Packey McFarland
40. Bob Fitzsimmons
41. Joe Walcott
42. Terry McGovern
43. Charley Burley
44. Rocky Marciano
45. Carlos Zarate
46. Aaron Pryor
47. Azumah Nelson
48. Duilio Loi
49. Wilfred Benitez
50. Nicolino Locche
51. Miguel Canto
52. Tommy Loughran
53. Billy Conn
54. Jake Lamotta
55. Bernard Hopkins
56. Ruben Olivares
57. Wilfredo Gomez
58. Dick Tiger
59. Marcel Cerdan
60. George Foreman
61. Tiger Flowers
62. Jack Dempsey
63. Joe Frazier
64. Oscar De la Hoya
65. Tommy Ryan
66. Carmen Basilio
67. Antonio Cervantes
68. Jack Blackburn
69. Sonny Liston
70. Bob Foster
71. George Dixon
72. Owen Moran
73. Jack Johnson
74. Jimmy McLarnin
75. Stanley Ketchel
76. Pasqual Perez
77. Abe Atell
78. Dave Holly
79. Lou Ambers
80. Lew Tendler
81. Felix Trinidad
82. Luis Rodriguez
83. Kid Chocolate
84. Vicente Saldivar
85. Manuel Ortiz
86. Sammy Angott
87. Bob Montgomery
88. Young Griffo
89. Mike McCallum
90. Lennox Lewis
91. Harold Johnson
92. Mike Tyson
93. Johnny Dundee
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Eusebio Pedroza
96. Erik Morales
97. Marco Antonio Barrera
98. Tony Zale
99. Mike Gibbons
100. Freddie Welsh

 

thats a pretty nice list SS, however given that Dempsey, Marciano and Frazier were small heavyweights that competed against bigger ones, i'd say they should be higher. IMO Frazier and Dempsey are atleast top 50.

 

Perhaps dmt, I must admit that heavyweights aren't really my forte, and there's probably a lot of adjustments to the placements of the heavies that I'd make if I gave it more thought.

Who on my list that I have above Frazier and Dempsey would you say deserve to be below them?

 

Depends what the list is based on...head to head or accomplishments? If it is based on accomplishments, I have him in the top 75. Head to head, he is definitely in the top 50.

 

Not especially high. Ranking him top 20-25 is incredibly overrating him. Although he was a beast, he wasted too much of his talent. Accomplishments/resume is more important than mythical head-to-head matchups.

 

Top 50

 

At 140 he was one of the best, and would hold his own with Tszu, Whitaker,Duran...he may lose to Duran but he would go down on his sheild

 

No really good reason for Monzon or Hagler being above Whitaker, they are all pretty much on a par and can be shuffled around imo.

I think they all just about achieved as much as each other. Whitaker fought in more weight classes but Hagler and Monzon both had better runs in a single division. In terms of their head to head ability I think all three are extremely difficult to beat for anyone.

If anything separates them, its probably that I felt that Monzon and Hagler ended their careers on top (I had Hagler by a point over Ray) whereas Whitaker floundered a little bit right at the end.

Having said that though, I'm not sure Monzon or Hagler beat a Felix Trinidad level fighter in their last fight.

And furthermore, you could probably argue that Monzon and Hagler wouldn't have the ability to move up in weight as succesfully as Whitaker did, seeing as Monzon relied quite a bit on his height, punching power and strength (facets which would be diminished at lightheavy) and Hagler relied on his toughness, power and strength (which wouldn't be as marked against lightheavies)....

 

A bit hard on Valdez, at the time he was a fine fighter who would of been a very respected World Champion if it were not for the fact such a great like Monzon was in his era.

Excellent, well thought out top 100 list, by the way.

 

Pryor since i think Frazier and Dempsey defeated a wider range of good fighters and didn't abuse themselves with drugs either. McGovern was also a superb fighter but burned down far too quickly