Where is Aaron Pryor in your all time greats list?

Ray leonard was the favourite against norris and he was in the ring's pound for pound rankings in 1990.

 

I told you I don't believe none of that **** whether it come from Pryor or Leonard. None of their excuses are believable.

The only person who had a legitimate excuse to retire was Ali because he had his title stripped. Ali was a warrior. you don't see no fake excuses why he can't fight someone, why he won't give someone a rematch.

Joe Frazier said whoever won't give another man a rematch when he deserves one should feel ashamed but leonard don't feel ashamed because he's a little chicken **** like i FIGURED FROM THE START who really can't fight when he's hurt. The beating he took by Norris was long overdue and it happend all because he picked a fight with the wrong man. That's leonard for you. you can't get a fight with him unless he gives you permission to fight him and then tells you don't dare turn it down its too much money.

But Ali wasn't like that no way. Ali was too much man for leonard that's why he rushed into a fight with Frazier. That was crazy for any other man - taking on Joe Frazier in his prime but not Ali who couldn't wait to get Joe back in the ring and would have excpet Joe turned down 3.2 mil in '73 and got trounced by George instead for .8 mil.

Ali was the greatest like Hagler, like Robinson, like Roy Jones, Benny Leonard, Pep. Ray Leonard couldn't carry their jock straps.

 

Leonard wasn't in his prime when he fought Hagler. Both were past their best, no question.

Hagler came to the end of the road, especially after the gruelling affairs with Hearns and Mugabi. He even admitted after the Mugabi fight that his body wasn't the same, and retirement was not far away.

Leonard had one fight in 5 years, and his showing against Howard was evidence of a fighter who had seen better days. He was also moving up to middleweight, where he had never been before. No fighter is as effective after one fight in 5 years, especially moving up two weights. Leonard just fought superbly while past his prime.

 

Who said Hagler was afraid of Leonard?. Your clearly putting words into my mouth. Maybe because you happen to disagree with my unbiased view on the situation.

Hagler's case was that he could not come down to 154lbs as he feels he would have weakened himself. Fair enough.

 

according to all the dopes like Jon Saraceno and Sean O'Grady, yes. Me? I'm not that stupid. I picked Norris and Hector to run over his goddamned ass. :smoke

 

See? There he is in my avatar cowering in a corner from Mr. Norris himself.

 

Yeah, but the fight she was talking about was Marv vs Bertha Hagler.

 

No, the bloke always gets battered by the ex.

 

Rooster. Your views towards Leonard are biased beyond belief. Your points are not constructed fairly. You should have a good look in the mirror.

I do like Hagler and Leonard as fighters.

However, Ive never taken to Leonard. Mainly because he won two titles from two different divisions in one fight. Last time I knew, to do such a thing you need to compete in two seperate fights.

Leonard is not a legitimate 5 weight world champion. And what confuses me, how others can't see it the same way.

Only one fighter has won titles in 5 different weight divisions in boxing history, Floyd Mayweather. I do concede, not linear.

De La Hoya and Hearns can also be counted in if you take into account their WBO titles at super-feathweight and super-middleweight.

 

Sorry Robbi but if Leonard didn't have so many self induced layoffs which he calls retirements, I'd be more lenient but since no one else comes close to pulling these kind of stunts, you have to say that Ray Leonard wouldn't have resorted to it unless he had to. that's why I say he's overrated. And the Norris fight verifies it.

The five time champion bit is comical to say the least. To put it kindly, out of the question and makes me want to gag when I hear or see the label five time champion attatched to his name. Two time really. 3 time champion is questionable so if you really like leonard you can call him 3 time champion but a conservative but honest view is that Ray Leonard is really a two division champion.

 

Emmmmm.

Welterweight Benitez.

Jr middleweight Kalule

Lalonde super-middleweight or light-heavyweight. One or the other, as can't count both.

Then the Hagler decision, lets say you dispute this.

Thats 3 in your opinion.

 

:good

 

A very accurate observation on his wife's part!

 

That was one of the wierdest things i have ever seen in a boxing ring, especially considering who it was. Just goes to show how much Leonard had got in his head.

 

Yeah but it was the real Leonard vs Norris and Camacho

And it wasn't the real Camacho vs Haugen i remember you saying as well :rofl

So there was just you, BIG Marv and the Weaver triplets in the gym, right?

Poor guy was looking for his cane after two rounds!