Where is Freddie Roach?

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  1. The_Ikon

    The_Ikon Active Member Full Member

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    That's what Manny performance was against Floyd...
     
  2. smooveonthe88

    smooveonthe88 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    smooveonthe88 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  4. efc85

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    Training cotto at the wildcard
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Hiding somewhere embarassed
     
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    smooveonthe88 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  8. glovesofcrimson

    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post, I agree he uses his physical tools but that is him using his intelligence to negate and avoid taking shots to land one, it's very dull when you have the other guy without a solution but it's extremely tough to employ or everyone would be taking a leaf out of his book. We've seen him in some trench battles, he can do that and it brings the best offensively out of him, he can still throw some beautiful combinations, at lower weights his switch from defense to offense was stunning. His adjustments are very smart, and he rarely has to make more than a couple, that is impressive ring IQ, he takes the other guy's assets away from him to render them no threat. He gave a fantastic break down of what he did to nullify Pacman in his post-fight press conference, about 13:30 for a minute or 2.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJqjeQ9gOZE

    About the specific steps he took, it's interesting listening to him narrate his thought patterns.

    Someone made an interesting point once I read that his objective is to let the other guy expend his energy in the first half and then he will take over, and that he doesn't make that many adjustments, it just seems that way because the other guy has nowhere near the necessary energy levels left to keep it up, I think there's a blurred line between the two of them, his conditioning and exercising his natural ability and using intelligence and adjusting, it takes both sides. He won't let the other guy take HIS best assets away from him, even with Maidana he was the same old Mayweather when he wasn't being smashed by a crazed caveman, he lost 5 out of the first 6 rounds but he fought his usual second half.
     
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  10. Typhoon

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    I still feel his ring IQ is overblown. He is well rounded, that's what makes him difficult. Without his athletic gifts and boxing skill, his ring IQ would get him nowhere. His main attributes are physical and he compliments them with good mental attributes. You take Floyd's athleticism and speed away and his ring IQ doesn't get him very far. You take his ring IQ away but keep hus physical advantages and he does better, IMO.

    His strategy vs Pacquiao was not anything a person with average intelligence couldn't employ. He had a 5 inch advantage and knew Pacquiao was dangerous. So what was his strategy? keep his distance, be elusive, frustrate Pac with defense, counter to keep him honest and do this for 12 rounds. What is so smart about this? This is the most simple of strategies. A dumb boxer would've tried to brawl with Manny, Floyd is not dumb.

    Again, his intelligence is exaggerated, it's his athleticism, speed and boxing skills that gets him most of his wins, being smart makes him tougher.

    and i said in my post. To try to beat Floyd, i see it as a 2 step process - 1. Make him fight, 2. Beat him fighting

    Canelo and Pac couldn't get past #1. Judah, Mosely made Floyd fight, by hurting him. Judah and Shane couldn't hang with him once floyd started being more offensive though but get got past #1!
     
  11. smooveonthe88

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  14. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    I think he's filming Jerry Maguire Part 2.
     
  15. smooveonthe88

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