Where is Marvin Hagler in your Top Middleweights ATG?

Hagler is #7 IMO.

10 Roy Jones
9 Jack Dempsey
8 Harry Greb
7 Marvin Hagler
6 Bernard Hopkins
5 Mickey Walker
4 Charley Burley
3 Stanley Ketchel
2 Ray Robinson
1 Carlos Monzon

 

Who did Jack Dempsey beat at middleweight?

 

LOL

 

Oh I forgot, it should of been

1 Harry Greb
2 Harry Greb's dad
3 Harry Greb's son
4 Harry Greb's uncle
5 Harry Greb's best mate
6 Harry Greb's neighbour
7 Harry Greb's dog
8 The bloke who bumped into Harry Greb on March 19 1920
9 Harry Greb's optician
10 Harry Greb's barber

 

He beat Mike Donovan. That's one good win. He won the title from Billy McCarthy. Nothing impressive, but can be added as another good win, ok. But #9? He was a natural welterweight, who accidentally won a title at middleweight.

 

He gets kudos for being a pioneer. LaBlanche, Reagan, Donavon, McCaffrey and McCarthy were fair fighters, and as his name suggests he was without Pareil for a good five/six years.

 

Arguably the best ever.

His wins over Hearns, Duran were enough to put him up in the top 5.
His ranking depends on how you judge him in the Leonard bout. I feel like he won that fight so right now I rank him number one with Greb just behind and Monzon at the 3rd spot.

 

I have as the eighth best Middleweight ever, that is brilliant, because he was an amazing fight.

 

Pioneer at what?
He was the nonpareil for about 3-4 years. By the time he won the middleweight title he had already been on downslide, even as early as late 1888 actually, he was already past it.

 

Just my opinion, mate.

I am pretty convinced that Leonard could have beaten almost every middleweight in history. The WW argument isn't trully important.

 

Well, he already lost to a faded version of Hagler in my opinion.

I give Leonard the edge in a Hopkins fight but hey, those are the top of the top at middleweight even if he loses to most of them he would give them hell and make it close.

 

Hagler is numero uno @ MW - closely followed by Greb, SRR and Monzon.

 

No. It's the guy to the left of your posts.

 

4th. Behind Robinson, Monzon, and Greb.