Where is Wlad on the ATG HW List

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  1. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Curious to see where people are ranking him right now. I am pretty confident that Wlad will fight 2-3 times a year for 4-5 more years. If he continues with his current style I dont see anyone currently who is going to beat him. It will have to be someone down the pipe.

    As soon as Vitaly retires, likely in 2009, we can expect Wlad to become undisputed HW Champ.
     
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  2. sugar_ray

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    his losses will always look very bad as it wasnt to the best opposition. i dont think he will make top 20 as he is too vulnerable.
     
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  3. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    From the Classic Forum, Here is a list done in august 2008 by Muchmoore

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Mike Tyson
    5. Lennox Lewis
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. George Foreman
    9. Joe Frazier
    10. Harry Wills
    11. Jack Johnson
    12. Jack Dempsey
    13. Evander Holyfield
    14. Jim Jeffries
    15. Joe Walcott
    16. Max Schmeling
    17. Ezzard Charles
    18. Floyd Patterson
    19. Riddick Bowe
    20. Ken Norton
    21. Sam Langford
    22. John L Sullivan
    23. Ingo Johansson
    24. Joe Jeanette
    25. Gene Tunney
    26. Peter Jackson
    27. Wladimir Klitschko
    28. James Corbett
    29. Sam Mcvea
    30. Archie Moore
    31. Elmer Ray
    32. Bob Fitzsimmons
    33. Max Baer
    34. Tim Witherspoon
    35. Harold Johnson
    36. Eddie Machen
    37. Jerry Quarry
    38. George Godfrey
    39. Jack Sharkey
    40. Jimmy Young
    41. Mike Weaver
    42. Zora Folley
    43. Ron Lyle
    44. Cleveland Williams
    45. Ike Ibeabuchi
    46. David Tua
    47. Rex Layne
    48. Ernie Terrell
    49. Pinklon Thomas
    50. John Ruiz
     
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  4. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    One more top 50 from Sardu

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Mike Tyson
    5. Lennox Lewis
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. George Foreman
    9. Joe Frazier
    10. Harry Wills
    11. Jack Johnson
    12. Jack Dempsey
    13. Evander Holyfield
    14. Jim Jeffries
    15. Joe Walcott
    16. Max Schmeling
    17. Ezzard Charles
    18. Floyd Patterson
    19. Riddick Bowe
    20. Ken Norton
    21. Sam Langford
    22. John L Sullivan
    23. Ingo Johansson
    24. Joe Jeanette
    25. Gene Tunney
    26. Peter Jackson
    27. Wladimir Klitschko
    28. James Corbett
    29. Sam Mcvea
    30. Archie Moore
    31. Elmer Ray
    32. Bob Fitzsimmons
    33. Max Baer
    34. Tim Witherspoon
    35. Harold Johnson
    36. Eddie Machen
    37. Jerry Quarry
    38. George Godfrey
    39. Jack Sharkey
    40. Jimmy Young
    41. Mike Weaver
    42. Zora Folley
    43. Ron Lyle
    44. Cleveland Williams
    45. Ike Ibeabuchi
    46. David Tua
    47. Rex Layne
    48. Ernie Terrell
    49. Pinklon Thomas
    50. John Ruiz
     
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  5. BobDigi5060

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    Can't argue with top 30. If Vitali retires and Wlad unifies and goes undefeated until retiring in five years winning in this fashion I can say top 15.
     
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  6. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    I have been looking for a Ring list but I cannot find one right now. I think to compare we need to see more top 50 lists and then it may be easier to place Wlad.
     
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  7. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    That list is a JOKE. Tyson and Lewis are way overrated, Holyfield is too low. Ibeabuchi is top fifty?? Puh-leez. Of of two fights?? Ruiz?? The only top 50 that cheater Ruiz belongs on is the top 50 worst HWs, at #1.
     
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  8. LONGROB

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    You have loads of guys ahead of Vlad that he could trounce H2H and that were not nearly as dominant. I have Vlad in my top 15 and if he continues to win he will crack my top 10 based on his great H2H abilities. He does have some nasty stains on his ledger but few fighters have manhandled opponents like he does. I know that some will say that Vlad is not undisputed to this day but that is not his fault. If there were one title today I think that it is only common sense that he would be the man right now and his bro would still be retired.
     
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  9. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Put your list up. As I said I dont have a top 50 or 100 list and cannot find a ring list, this is what I could find quickly, these are not my lists they are on the classic boxing forum.
     
    RightCross, Dec 24, 2008
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  10. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    I did a post sometime back about how to judge people on the all time list. I dont think we can compare h2h through the eras effectively. Again this is not my list I have never attemtped a top 50.

    My criteria was something like.
    1) who they faced in their era
    2) overall record
    3) Titles and title defenses
    4) impact on the sport (fame popularity etc.)

    Open to suggeestions here.
     
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  11. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    One more post before I let the poll run. Based on these 2 lists complied by ESB classic forum posters I think it is hard to argue against a current top 50 rating.

    I voted top 50 currently. I think Wlad can accomplish a lot more at heavy before he retires.
     
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  12. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    I think that he is well on his way to a very high ranking all time. However, it is almost pointless placing a guy within the ATG list smack dab in the middle of his prime. Let his career play out.. let the dust settle... and then go ahead and look back.
     
    WiDDoW_MaKeR, Dec 24, 2008
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  13. Suge Green

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    Merry Christmas Longrob...would be.
     
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  14. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    All I'm saying is that it is any list that has Ibeabuchi and particularly Ruiz, in the top fifty is illegitmate. I don't keep lists any longer than 20, but here goes

    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Dempsey
    4. Foreman
    5. Holmes
    6. Marciano
    7. Holyfield
    8. Johnson
    9. Liston
    10. Frazier
    11. Tyson
    12. Jeffries
    13. Lewis
    14. Walcott
    15. Charles
    16. Bowe
    17. Schmeling
    18. Corbett
    19. Langford
    20. Baer
    21. Patterson
    22. Quarry
    23. Johansson
    24. Wills
    25. Tunney
    26. Norton
    27. Jeannette
    28. Sharkey
    29. Jackson
    30. Fitzsimmons
    31. McVey
    32. Choynski
    33. Sullivan
    34. Lyle
    35. M. Spinks
    36. Weaver
    37. W. Klitschko
    38. Braddock
    39. Witherspoon
    40. Carnera
    41. Machen
    42. Folley
    43. Godfrey
    44. Young
    45. Williams
    46. Terrell
    47. Willard
    48. Burns
    49. Thomas
    50. V. Klitschko

    And, as far as the primary subject of the thread, I can only justify CURRENTLY ranking Wlad ahead of the lowest quality unified champs, guys like Braddock, Carnera, Willard or Burns. Is Wlad a "better" fighter than other HW champs above him, particularly head to head? Of course. But each of these men has an achievement that Wlad does not have, and that is universal recognition as THE heavyweight champ, which counts for a lot as I see it.
     
    Zakman, Dec 24, 2008
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  15. LONGROB

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    Merry Christmas to you too bro.
     
    LONGROB, Dec 24, 2008
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