Where should Williams go after Martinez?

lufcrazy · Nov 13, 2009

This thread is assuming Williams beats Martinez, the reason is because he has a rematch clause if he loses.

The way I see it, Williams has 3 possible opponents after beating Williams.

1) Spinks - Past it but still a top 154 titleholder
2) Santos - Probably the only 154 pounder in Martinez's league.
3) Sturm - High risk/low reward, but it would make him a champ.

I don't think he will ever get the fight with Pavlik, Pavlik will move up and fight the winner of Bute v Andrade

I also don't think he'll fight at WW again because all the top players are chasing Mayweather, plus Mosley and Clottey have already ducked him. He's probably the only man I could envision beatin Floyd at 147.

Thoughts?

walk with me · Nov 13, 2009

if he beats martinez he needs to call out mosley.... cause by then mosley will be 1 month away from fighting ( and probably beating berto)

and floyd will probably be set up with the winner of pacman & cotto... so shane & paul won't have anywhere to go but to fight each other

lufcrazy · Nov 13, 2009

walk with me said: ↑

if he beats martinez he needs to call out mosley.... cause by then mosley will be 1 month away from fighting ( and probably beating berto)

and floyd will probably be set up with the winner of pacman & cotto... so shane & paul won't have anywhere to go but to fight paul williams
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Mosley has shown he is willing to sit out and wait for a big opponent, he missed almost an entire calendar year after destroying Margo. But he has said he wants 4 fights next year. I think it would be a huge fight, but I couldn't see Williams being offered enough money. Mosley will be a sure fire HOF and a two belt unified champion. Politics will get in the way.

Losfer_Words · Nov 13, 2009

I'm sure the Pavlik fight will never happrn now. Either Spinks or Mosley for me. Probably Spinks as I don't see Mosley taking a fight with Williams straight after Berto:good.

Bazooka · Nov 13, 2009

To the Hospital, Martinez is going to ICE that chump

Rudyard · Nov 13, 2009

Unify the 154 division!:good

lufcrazy · Nov 13, 2009

Bazooka said: ↑

To the Hospital, Martinez is going to ICE that chump
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did you even read the first line of the thread?

mking · Nov 13, 2009

if he beats martinez he needs to call out mosley....

:thumbsup who ever wins Berto or Mosley, that fight has to be made!

booradley · Nov 13, 2009

I doubt if Pavlik will move up.

YOUNGSTOWN — Kelly Pavlik hasn’t been in the ring for 10 months, but he’s taking a beating on the Internet this week for accepting a fight against Miguel Espino just weeks after canceling a bout with Paul Williams.

“Believe me, I’ve read some of it,” said Pavlik’s trainer, Jack Loew. “I know what’s out there.”

When it became clear his fighter wasn’t going to be ready for a Dec. 5 bout, Loew said he approached Williams’ handlers to ask for two more weeks. HBO had Dec. 19 open and Loew was hopeful the extra time would give Pavlik a better chance to recover from his left hand injury.

Williams’ camp, which was already irritated about the original fight date being postponed two months because of the same injury, denied the request.

“I knew we wouldn’t get it,” said Loew, whose fighter still hasn’t put a glove on in months. “I told them it was going to take time to bend it [the hand].

“I honestly didn’t think we were going to fight until after the first of the year. Then Top Rank [Boxing] came up with this.”

The Dec. 19 bout at Beeghly Center gives Pavlik a chance to keep his WBO and WBC middleweight titles — the sanctioning bodies were threatening to strip him of the titles if he didn’t make a defense soon — while fighting a less-dangerous opponent. A 10-month layoff paired with a career-threatening staph infection wasn’t a good recipe for success against a fighter as talented as Williams.

Still, the Espino fight is nowhere near as lucrative. Pavlik is guaranteed $500,000 (although he will also get a cut of the pay-per-view), compared to almost $3 million for fighting Williams.

In July, Pavlik said he was insulted by a $1 million offer to fight WBA champion Felix Sturm, but, clearly, his situation has changed in just a few months.

“Yeah, he’s taking a cut,” said Loew. “He just wants — and I want — to get back in the ring as soon as we could.

“Coming off a long layoff, this is what we have.”

The plan is for the Espino bout to serve as a springboard for a spring bout against Williams. The Williams camp is miffed — understandably, Loew said — but they know Pavlik is the best option out there for the future.

That point was driven home when, after switching opponents from Pavlik to Sergio Martinez, Williams’ Dec. 5 bout in Atlantic City was changed from Boardwalk Hall’s 12,000-seat arena to the smaller Adrian Phillips Ballroom.

“We see who needs who,” said Loew, who expects to sell out the 7,000-seat Beeghly Center. “If he’s such a big draw, why did he go from fighting in front of 12,000 people to a ballroom?”

Espino (20-2-1, 9 KOs), the WBC’s No. 3-ranked contender, hails from North Hollywood, Calif. A former contestant on the reality boxing show “The Contender,” he last fought in March against Alejandro Garcia for the WBC Caribbean Boxing Federation middleweight title at the Playboy Mansion in California. Garcia retired in the sixth round, claiming a hand injury.

Loew attended that fight — he was training Clevelander Prenice Brewer for one of the event’s other bouts — but didn’t see the Espino bout.

(For those with vivid imaginations, the happily-married Loew said he was in a tent preparing for the bout, not in, say, the grotto.)

Espino is a better boxer with less power than Marco Antonio Rubio, who lost to Pavlik in February, Loew said.

“He fights with a lot of heart and he fights three minutes of every round,” said Loew. “He’s a competitive guy and guys like that are good for TV. They show a lot of guts.”

Pavlik said Monday he expects to resume full training by the end of next week.
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Bazooka · Nov 13, 2009

lufcrazy said: ↑

did you even read the first line of the thread?
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Yes I did read it did you proof read it? you stated "The way I see it, Williams has 3 possible opponents after beating Williams"

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Nay_Sayer · Nov 13, 2009

lufcrazy said: ↑

This thread is assuming Williams beats Martinez, the reason is because he has a rematch clause if he loses.

The way I see it, Williams has 3 possible opponents after beating Williams.

1) Spinks - Past it but still a top 154 titleholder
2) Santos - Probably the only 154 pounder in Martinez's league.
3) Sturm - High risk/low reward, but it would make him a champ.

I don't think he will ever get the fight with Pavlik, Pavlik will move up and fight the winner of Bute v Andrade

I also don't think he'll fight at WW again because all the top players are chasing Mayweather, plus Mosley and Clottey have already ducked him. He's probably the only man I could envision beatin Floyd at 147.

Thoughts?
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Williams should forget about fighting @ WW and probably 154 also.

IMO, the Punisher should clean out 160 then start looking @ the winner of the SMW tourney.

BTW, who is the consensus #2 MW in the world?

mtl29 · Nov 13, 2009

I dont know where u got ur info but clottey never ducked williams actually he called him out several times he wanted to fight him at WW u can go check it out on youtube man
I think williams next fight (if he beats martinez) should be against pavlik if pavlik is available or else well if mosley wins against berto then he should fight mosley but even though shanes my favorite fighter I dont think mosley wants to fight williams not becuz hes scared but business wise and I would love to see clottey-williams that would be my first pick.

guru059 · Nov 13, 2009

maybe Kermit Cintron?

renyo · Nov 13, 2009

Pav, Cintron, Mosley

cubex · Nov 13, 2009

Pavlik,Sturm,Dzinziruk,Spinks,Cintron,Santos(if he beats Foreman).

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