Where would Sugar Ray Robinson rank all-time if we ignore his Middleweight accomplishments?

Still top 20. He'd still have beaten Gavalin, Zivic, Servo, Angott, Armstrong, Jannazzo, Bell, Costner and others. He'd also be undefeated for like 70 fights.

 

He's still one of the greatest welterweights of all time. It also depends on his middleweight career. Does he still beat a lot of world-classers? Does he beat some of the same guys, just not when they are champions? I say, without his career at middleweight his career takes a serious blow in the P4P rankings.

 

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Sound.

 

No1. Where else?

 

He could be still No.1 as already mentioned, cause he was probably the most complete fighter ever.
Though, I say still top 10, maybe behind boxers like Armstrong, Greb, Ali and Louis.

 

Still top 10 at least. His work at welterweight alone is enough to cement his legacy as one of the greats. He solidly beats any welterweight ever.

 

It would have honestly really hurt his legacy. As much as he was great at welterweight, many would have said it was a weak era, etc.

He would still be mentioned, and considered great, but had he not pushed himself upward not many would remember him as well as they should

I guess the number 2 on everyone's list goes up. ...not mine though... Just most. I had him 2 or 3...Greb is in my top spot

 

Well he beat Lamotta 4 out of 5 as a Welterweight basically.

 

He'd be something like 68-0 with only one close fight against Marty Servo as a mark against him. Would have still beat several top fighters
Sammy Angott x2
Marty Servo x2
Fritzie Zivic x2
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan x2

And other interesting contenders like Tommy Bell, George Costner, Jackie Wilson etc who have sort of been forgotten. It's hard to tell, 68-0 assuming he fights no other welters in place of the middles he fought would still be astonishing, and I think if we had footage of his 40s fights to go with such a record he would still rank very high.

 

He was 111-1-2 (75 KOs) after the Fusari fight.

You’re gonna have to expand on this, though. To just what extent are we eliminating “Middleweight” bouts? Any bout where he and/or his opponent weighed above 147? If so, that would cut his record down to 51 fights.

Even still, he’d have gone 51-0 (31 KOs) on the way to winning the Welterweight title and making 5 consecutive defenses. Along the way he would have picked up wins over Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan once (both weighed in over the limit for their first bout), Sammy Angott 3 times, Fritzie Zivic once (Zivic weighed 148 for the rematch), Bernard Docusen, George Costner, Tommy Bell twice, Marty Servo twice, Maxie Shapiro, California Jackie Wilson once, Izzy Jannazzo once, Jimmy Doyle, and Maxie Berger. A few other contenders, too.

Still looks like a high level all time great to me. Top 20-30, maybe higher. He beat 4 different fighters (6 times total) I’d rank in my top 100. Then you factor in the “what if” aspect that would’ve undoubtedly become a growing narrative had he retired undefeated in his 20s.