Where would Vitlai Klitschko’s comeback rate if he defeats Sam Peter?

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  1. Mendoza

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    Where would Vitlai Klitschko’s comeback rate if he defeats Sam Peter?

    Here is the situation. Vitlai will be facing Sam Peter, who is in his prime, and rated #2 by Ring Magazine. Negations for the fight in June or July are under way.

    Vitlai Klitschko is 36 now and will be 37 this July. He has not fought since December 2004, which is means by the time he and Peter fight, it will likely be 3 ½ years of in-activity. In addition to the ring rust, Vitlai has had to battle knee and back injuries. No man that I can think of has ever come back to win a belt with a three way obstacle of age, ring rust, and an injury against him.

    In the history of gloved boxing, the only heavyweight I can recall that came back at age 36+ after a 3+ lay of to win a title was George Foreman. In truth, it took Foreman had many warm up fights, and needed three tires to win a world title belt back. Foreman lost his first two chances and was defeated by Holyfield and Morrison.

    Vitlai is not having any warm up fights. The annuals of fistic glory have had several instances where X linear / Ring Magazine Champions have tried to regain their title after a lay off, at an older age, but have failed. Jeffries could not do it. Dempsey could not do it. Louis could not do it. Liston could not do it. Holmes could not do it. Foreman did it, but it took three tires, and the perfect match up for him to pull the upset. If Vitlai defeats Sam Peter, where does this rate on the heavyweight comeback scale?
     
  2. janitor

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    It would be verry impresive given his period of inactivity.

    I dont think he will though.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    I disagree. If Vitlai comes back to win a belt under these circumstances, it will be impressive and add to his legacy.

    Peter has beaten contenders in Toney, McCline, and Maskaev. Peter is a worthy opponent for sure who is in his prime, and has never been stopped.
     
  4. Mantequilla

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    It would not rate at all with me as i think Peter is crap.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    So which past ATG at age 36+ with 3.5 years of ring rust with no comeback fights under their belts do you think would defeat Peter? Names por favor.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    It will add quite a bit to Vitalis legacy, but not that much because Peter is poor and not that good and got a gift in his first fight with Toney and is not the man in the division.

    It will obviously be behind:

    Ali beating the 'unbeatable' Foreman past his prime

    Foreman at the age of 45 (or was it 44?) beating linear champ Moorer (who is far better than Peter)

    Sugar Ray Robinson winning the middleweight championship many times after retiring for 2-3years

    Sugar Ray Leonard beating Hagler after retiring for

    It would also rank below:

    Holmes outboxing Mercer way past his prime

    Tyson winning 2 belts after been in jail for 4years

    And many more. Its not a super impressive feat but it will add to his legacy, if and when Vitali beats Peter it will be the best opponent hes actually beat
     
  7. Mendoza

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    ^^^How many of those guys were over 36, out of the game for 3.5 years, had no warm up fights, and had to over come injuries? Zero.

    If you want to talk quality of the oppoent, Mercer was slapped slilly by a joruneyman. And Tyson beat who to win a belt? A washed Bruno and Bruce Seldon. That's who. I think Peter is better than that.
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    Eder Jofre also made a very impressive comeback.

    Joe Louis and Tony Zale beat some quality fighters after years away from the sport due to WW2.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Jofre did make a nice come back. He and Foreman belong in an exclusive fraternity of fighters who took a long time off, and re-claimed a belt after the age of 36+! If Vitlai beats Peter, he joins them.

    Louis did not re-gain his belt.

    Zale did regain his belt, but he was only 32.

    Vitlai might do it with no warm up fights, which by itself stands alone. I know you hate Vitlai Thread Stealer, but the truth is the truth.
     
  10. Mantequilla

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    It would likely just indicate how crap Peter is more than anything else.

    he really is a skilless hack of a fighter.
     
  11. OLD FOGEY

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    Jeffries fought Johnson. Dempsey fought Tunney. Louis fought Charles and Marciano. Holmes fought Tyson, Holyfield, and McCall. The issue is where does Peter rate right now and where would he rate if he loses to Vitali. Peter is not a proven commodity. All these other men lost to top level fighters except perhaps Liston if we are counting his late comeback and loss to Martin. If Peter can't beat a 37 year old coming back after 4 years of inactivity and a number of injuries, it will raise as many questions about Peter as it gives answers about Vitali.
     
  12. OLD FOGEY

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    Well, Jess Willard came back at 41, after 4 years out of boxing, and defeated Floyd Johnson, who could be considered the equal of Peter and a top contender at the time.

    If Vitali did it, much would depend on what Peter accomplishes the rest of his career.
     
  13. ChrisPontius

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    It would certainly be an impressive feat, but let's not forget...... Peter is a top3 contender, but not the champion.
     
  14. Marciano Frazier

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    Foreman's comeback was after 10 years out of the ring, and he was 45 when he regained the title. It's on a whole nother scale compared with what Klitschko would be doing. Moreover, Foreman won the legitimate, linear world title, while Vitali would be winning a fake plastic trinket.

    Samuel Peter is not a genuine world heavyweight champion- he is a manufactured beltholder. He isn't even a terribly high-quality contender. Beating him off a three-year layoff would still be impressive on Vitali's part, but it would hardly be some kind of legendary feat.
     
  15. Marciano Frazier

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    Especially given that Peter already just barely got by 37-year-old versions of a disgustingly fat James Toney and Jameel McCline. Based on his career so far, I don't think Peter comes close to ranking among the top 50 best heavyweights of the gloved era.